June 9, 2020

Coffee Time with Jason Arsenault

Coffee Time with Jason Arsenault

I interview the owner of Arsenal K9. Jason is a former Police Officer who opened a dog training business in Prince Albert Saskatchewan called Arsenal K9. We talk about the industry, certification and Jason provides some personal anecdotes about his experiences.



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{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":0.0,"body":"Welcome back to Coffee Breath Conversations. This week I interview a former police officer turn dog business owner. Quick note is I did have a few audio difficulties with this episode. One point someone does enter into the building and they are grooming a dog so you can kind of hear a little bit of stuff in the background, I tried to edit out the best I can. Unfortunately, you can still hear some humming in the background. Not much I can do about that. A little bit of housekeeping before we get started, I finally upgraded my equipment and my studio. So this should result in better quality audio. And now my podcasts can also feature video, so hopefully I can get some guests in the future on YouTube as well. I'm also finalizing a few more guests. However, I'm also looking to do a few solo episodes. That's it for housekeeping. So thanks again for listening. Please consider rating my podcasts on Apple podcasts or pod chaser. Now let's get started.\r\n\r\nMy guest today is Jason Arsenault. Jason was a police officer for 15 years. In 2018. He left the police force in order to open his business Arsenal canine he has to master trainer certifications and several other certifications. Welcome to the podcast. Jason.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":91.0,"body":"Thank you for having me.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":93.0,"body":"It's interesting dog business, not a well it's more of a common business now than it\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":98.0,"body":"has been in the past. It is Yeah, like I don't know as far as I remember this used to being just kind of like a hobby, hobby job. So don't do it on the side. Whatever regular quote unquote regular job that they had times are changing now it's becoming more and more prevalent to have an actual career as a dog trainer.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":116.0,"body":"How did Arsenal canine come about?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":120.0,"body":"Well, I started actually started my careers as a police officer estimate. And then I moved on to Saskatoon. When I was in Saskatoon, I went to a call that I was actually diagnosed with PTSD after. So the call happened in about 2008. And then in 2013, I kind of started to feel the effects from that call, right? Like I didn't start to get all the symptoms from the PTSD. So I decided that I was going to take some or go to the doctor and the doctor told me to take some time off from work. So I took a little bit of time off, and then eventually they said that I shouldn't go back to being a police officer. So I was with web for a little while. Nobody was kind of putting me in any kind of direction. So I just kind of figured that I'd take my my life in my own hands and I started building I guess, building my knowledge up a little bit more for opening this business and getting more certifications for dog training. So I started out went in to seminar bc I took my first Master Trainer certificate that was a fairly short one. And then after that I went into the I went to Europe to Germany for a month and I trained with some canine handlers down there. So Europe is kind of where the is the mecca of dog training as we put it, right, that's where all the dog training comes from. So I trained there for a month, then it came back and then I spent another six months in the states getting another Master Trainer certificate and different you know, there's a general obedience, police work, tracking, protection, all that kind of stuff. So that course included everything. And then I just decided that's what I was going to do open my business, I came back home to pa and open the business up and that's kind of the quick Reader's Digest version, and I'm sure we'll get into a little bit more but that's where it all began.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":231.0,"body":"Do you have to be a dog lover to open a dog business? I would suggest that Yeah,\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":237.0,"body":"cuz I know you see a lot of dogs that are, you know, not the best behaved. So you don't have a lot of patience for the dogs. And this isn't just a dog training business. We also have a daycare and boarding facility too. So, so yeah, I would, I wouldn't suggest anybody get into it if they don't have dogs.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":256.0,"body":"Now lots of dogs I get trained for various things. I've heard that when you take them home, they're like a work dog. So you can't you can't really play with them all that much. You're supposed to wait until they're at work to do that.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":270.0,"body":"Yeah, for you mean for working dog police, dogs detection dogs, that kind of stuff. Yeah, they're very different. You raise them very differently from a pet. They have a very structured life. Their play comes from work. So that's what they enjoy to do, right? All their playtime is reward for for work. And then food comes from a reward from work for the majority. But I'm not saying you don't go out and play fetch with your dog just for fun when it's worked out, but they don't really typically come in the house, hang out with family have kids crawling all over them that kind of stuff there. That's a different, different beast, I guess you\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":305.0,"body":"could say. Would you have to keep them separate from let's say like your family dog?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":311.0,"body":"Some some dog? Yeah, there are different personalities of dogs, you can have a dog that can work really well in the home really well with other pets, that kind of stuff and still have that ability to work. But when you get into dogs, such as dual purpose police dogs, most of the time, they don't really care about other dogs.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":331.0,"body":"We just had to take a quick break there for Jason to take a phone call. So we're back. And I'm going to lead up with my next question, which is Can you define ball drive when it comes to dogs.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":344.0,"body":"Ball drive is the dogs desire to get their ball. So basically, that kind of lumped into the category of prey drive. And when we're using a ball to play with the dog, it's it's essentially prey drive so the dog is chasing it's Right, it's its reward. prey drivers use quite a bit in teaching, teaching a dog whether it's detection work or apprehension work or even obedience they a good dog like a good working dog needs to have a lot of prey drive. So there's three actually three categories that we we like to put the dogs into. So there's the prey drive, food drive and defense. prey drive is the desire to catch their prey item food drive is their desire to eat, right? So we have a dog that has high food drive is going to want to perform for their food, right? So we like to do that especially in puppies, we use prey drive, food drive, and then defensive drive defense drive. That is the drive that it's basically the fight or flight, right. So when we're teaching a dog protection work, we have to find their defense threshold and see where they respond the best when it comes to putting that dog in defense, making it Essentially fear for its life. So those are the the three drives we like to work with, with, with training.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":427.0,"body":"So to be a master trainer, you have to know all these different things,\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":431.0,"body":"we have to know all these different things we know have to know how to switch between the drives during work, and make them work to our advantage. So if we're working in a dog and protection or like a police, police dog or a personal protection dog, we have to be very, very careful that we don't go too high into defense because then the dog could shut down and it takes a lot to get them back. We also have to make sure that we're not working too much in prey drive. Otherwise, the dog doesn't really know how to bite for real, right. So there's a fine line in switching between those two drives. When we're teaching the bite work. The food drive and the prey drive is going to be for mostly dogs like your your pet dogs or detection type dogs. You never want to put those dogs into defense drive. And you never want to put the any dog that you own personally into defense because then that just confuses the dog. And they're wondering why their owner is trying to kill them. Right? So with the different, the different dogs jobs that the dogs have you there's different drives that you want to work them in.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":499.0,"body":"So with the Master Trainer certifications, I don't even know how does one even begin to look into being a master trainer for any of this.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":510.0,"body":"A lot of it. A lot of it is just a piece of paper that that says master trainer on it right? I think for In my opinion, you can have all the certificates in the world. But doesn't mean you're a good dog trainer. Right? You can go online and do an online course or two and say you're a master trainer. So if you're really serious about being a master trainer, you need to I think you need to have your hands on a lot of dogs. You have to find dog training schools are mentors that will help you personally and critique you and be able to do that. That's what I saw I right away, I didn't want to take any chances or, or do anything online because I didn't think that that was the proper way to learn. I wanted to get hands on with a lot of dogs. So my first school that I went to in seminar, which is now shut down, it was only a six week program, but it kind of got my feet wet in the dog training world. So that one we, you know, everybody had to bring their own dog. So how I found that one as I went online, you know, just search dog training schools. I think they're one of two in Canada that they had. I chose chose that one because it was a little bit closer. So everyone had to bring their own dog, you got to work with other people's dogs while you were there at that six week program that the school also had obedience classes and boarding trains working so you got to work with a lot of different dogs that way. And that's cool. I had my hands on a lot of dogs there. But after that, then I wanted more. I don't think that once you take a course, and you get that certification a master trainer, I don't think it ends there either. Right? It's just like everything else continuous learning. That's what they teach you in, in policing. Great. And I'm sure the penitentiary and everything else every every career wants once continuous learning, right? Nobody wants to be stuck learning something from 1520 years ago, when they could be progressing. I decided that I wanted more and I had some contacts in Germany. So I contacted them they invited me to come train there. We did a training with the police canine unit in one of the cities in Germany. And it was had I had my hands on a few few dogs there and taking some bites, doing some decoy work with them. So that was that was adding to my experience. And then I needed something more right the I mean You just keep going and going and going. I keep practicing all these techniques on my own dogs. And then so I started researching into different schools, I found there was a, there's a lot of different schools in the United States. So I found one that, you know, I thought it was it was a good school.\r\n\r\nAnd it was a six month long course and it encompassed general basic obedience, police, canine training, detection, and some behavior modification. So that was a six month course where I went and I took a camper and went live down there and went to school every day. It was like a job eight, eight till 5805 every day working with numerous dogs and this dog training school was a fairly large company in the states and they were always getting dogs in from Europe. They always have dogs going out to police agencies, military agencies, there was hundreds and hundreds of dogs that we got our hands on to train with different all unique different problems. or different ways of learning. So we kind of had to adapt and learn that way. And, and that was probably one of the better courses, I guess you could say from the experience. And then yeah, just if you would have courses, there's stock training seminars all over. So if you go there, you're able to meet people talk to people and eventually found a mentor in Belgium. And I went down there last year for 10 days and learn quite a bit from him. It was all one on one training. He picked me up every morning from the hotel was the same thing eight to five, except there was no other students there. It was just him and I the whole time, one on one, working with six puppies and three adults that we work with all day, every day for for the 10 days. That's where I got a lot of that from and then there was a before that after I was done the course in North Carolina for six months. I met a guy by the name of Brian, he was probably I'd say he's probably one of the most instrumental guys in me opening my business. Because not only was he a mentor for me in the dog training with different methods, but he also kind of helped me get past a lot of the fears I had about opening a business. That was, I know, we're kind of getting off a little bit off the topic of the Master Trainer certificate, but it kind of all blends in because it's, it's about finding mentors and trainers that you can work with. So he, like I said, he helped me kind of get past a lot of the issues I was having with opening a business I, I thought that I was in that mindset where, you know, dog training was just a hobby thing. Right? And you had to do everything. You weren't going to make any money, training dogs, but But yeah, we he helped me model everything that we do here off of his business in the States. And yeah, it was it was a great connection to have and the guy in Belgium has a great connection to have, you know, so training dogs is not just about going to school and getting those certifications. It's about finding people that can help you move forward and\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":840.0,"body":"Just learn from you got to build yourself up a network.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":843.0,"body":"Exactly. Yep.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":844.0,"body":"Give me some background on your business. What does it encompass?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":849.0,"body":"So Arsenal canine originally when I first opened up I wanted I wanted to work in dogs, right I wanted to do police dogs and detection dogs and personal protection dogs. But there's not a lot of market in there for that training police dogs in Canada is a lot different than the United States. So in the United States, police agencies network, dog training businesses to help them find dogs trained dogs, and then they buy the dogs off for them. And they also have third party certifications for police dogs after the dogs are on the street. The police agencies themselves don't certify their own dogs. They have an outside agency that doesn't, which is kind of where I wanted to go here in Canada but after kind of finding out a lot of the police agencies find their own dogs. They do all their own in house certification, which I don't agree with because me It just means that if your dog screws up or is lacking in certain areas you can keep them on the street until no one ever has to know he never certified right? Which is liability issues but nobody ever knows so I like the third party certification and that a little bit more but they'll do it all themselves and the trainings all done in house where it's it's different so I kind of learned early on that my best bet was going to be into pet dogs now are so canine I mean the name the name itself you know we kind of when you hear Arsenal canine you kind of hear higher level police dogs that kind of stuff, right? But yeah, now Now we we offer the boarding Dog Boarding a doggy daycare, which is something I never thought I would get into at all but it's it's pretty neat. It's a lot different than what I was ever used to and, and pedal begins. That's kind of what we offer there. I also have recently started doing detection work for outside agencies and Yeah, we're going to be actually starting up a detection handler school right away. So I have some people coming down that want me to teach them how to handle dogs. We have dogs for them that they've purchased from us. And yeah, so they were going to go through a month long program of handler training. So I am kind of getting into the working dog a little bit. But the majority of it is pet dogs, pet obedience, forwarding and daycare. Yeah, lots\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":985.0,"body":"of people have pet dogs. More now, I think than ever. I think there's a market for for sure.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":993.0,"body":"Absolutely. When you have a dog that's behaved well, and that fits in really well to the to fits in really well to your lifestyle, then it's that it just adds to the enjoyment of having a dog. Right, because before a dog was always just, it was just around there to Pat and we had to feed it, that kind of thing. Take it for walks, but if you have a dog that you can really enjoy, then then it just makes it that much better.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1020.0,"body":"So how different is it to switch from being a trainer to a business owner? Because I'm assuming that you have to take on more of a mentoring role and assume that there's different responsibilities and simply just being a trainer?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1033.0,"body":"Yeah, absolutely. The\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Unknown Speaker ","startTime":1036.0,"body":"business role was that's been the struggle for me. Okay, tell everybody, I, I can train dogs. But all this business stuff is very new to me. And so I struggle with that side a little bit. Being a police officer before I think I had a good idea of leadership. I think that that works to my advantage for helping my employees and anybody that works here, really, they get that opportunity to be mentored, so to speak. So, one of my employees she's been with me for right from the beginning, right before we even open up here, Vanessa? So she started coming to me for training for sport dog training before I even opened the business. And then eventually, I hired to come work for me and she started learning I under me, I've taught her quite a bit and she's, she does really well at training now. So that was all, I can never charge her for any training. That's that's where you use network mentorship, right? And then my other employee, Kendall, she's very interested in training as well. So she's invited every time we do training, to, you know, hang out, watch, observe, you know, show her some things and, and help her learn that way. So, that sounds good. It's it's all the paperwork that bugs me.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Unknown Speaker ","startTime":1113.0,"body":"And most businesses are like that a like you have your passion. And then you have your business. Yeah,\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1117.0,"body":"exactly. How was COVID-19 affected your business?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1121.0,"body":"I hate to look at it negatively. Because I think even though we had there, we did lose some business. I think it helped us become stronger, so to speak, right? There was times where, you know, everything was so slow. There was for the first two months there. It was Because there was no money coming in, but we just kept pushing through. And now just makes me realize that it's more about just having the business and it's more about it's the passion that kind of drives you for it right? The daycare took a big hit, we had probably at least 60% less capacity and then we know we usually do now it's certainly come back, you know, you take that opportunity to maybe go in a different direction or change a few things up just good to\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1170.0,"body":"so where do you want to take your business in the future? Well, what's the future for Arsenal Kanan?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1175.0,"body":"Well, I want to expand and I don't want to use the word franchise because it's, it's I guess, it's kind of like a franchise but it's not I want to provide a business opportunity for different people all over. So I'm looking at expanding to different locations, maybe having other private owners under me, that kind of stuff. have been looking at other places in Saskatchewan to start eventually I'd like to go bigger. I'd like to be all over Canada. And the the main goal, the future goal for Arsenal canine is going to be I want to have a dog training school. Kind of like the places that I went to for, for training. I want to have that something like that available here in Canada. I think there's only one other place. And it's out east. And I don't think there's anything out west anymore. So don't shut down. But yeah, I won't, I won't be able to be more moving to more of a teaching role. Then Then the training, I guess you could say.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1236.0,"body":"Now, when I was younger, I was involved with a security company that had dogs. And now it doesn't really seem like there's very many security guard companies that utilize dogs anymore. Do you? Is it an insurance thing? Is that a cost for training a trainer thing?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1252.0,"body":"I think it's a I think it's a little bit of everything. I think the insurance costs are a little bit higher. But I think the biggest The biggest thing is finding appropriate hammers for the dogs because you put these dogs in people's hands that are being paid. No, I remember when I was a security guard, we're being paid minimum wage basically. And they don't really care. Nobody like you have to have that care to, to have that. It's a weapon at that point, right? When it's trained for apprehension work, you have these younger people that are getting paid minimum wage with very little training, wanting to handle dogs that are on the use of force scale, just kind of below lethal force. It gets kind of dicey for for a lot of security companies. So I think the only ones you see now that have actual canine patrol are the ones that are like in bigger centers that have a big budget that will pay their hammers more will pay for that training, and it's looked upon a little bit more professionally. That way.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1317.0,"body":"They're guarding higher value assets. So They can afford to spend the money to have a because I just remember they would switch the dog and the handler off all the time.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1327.0,"body":"Yeah. And that's theirs. That just sounds to me that sounds like it's a liability waiting to happen, which is probably why they don't do that. So\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1336.0,"body":"another question, what are your thoughts on Cesar Milan?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1340.0,"body":"I think he's got a lot of he's got a lot of good techniques. He's obviously he's, he knows what he's doing. But my only issue is that they only show certain things on TV. They don't show what really goes on behind the scenes and I think he's a good trainer. He's obviously a fantastic trainer. It's hidden the way he gets his results are hidden. I think\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1362.0,"body":"you don't give up all your industry secrets on television.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1365.0,"body":"Yeah, exactly. And it's I mean, it's not i'm not saying he does anything bad, or abusive or anything like that. I just think that there's more to it than what he shows. He shows all the fancy, positive only stuff Where there's more to it than that. Mm hmm.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1384.0,"body":"So is there anything else you'd like to tell me about your business?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1386.0,"body":"I'm not sure if I mentioned it, but we are. We do do service dogs as well. We've partnered with a company in Manitoba MSR, they're very large and very well respected service company. And they provide a lot of service dogs to mainly first responders or military that have PTSD, but they do all kinds of service stuff. So I've been down to Winnipeg to train with his name is the owner of the company. His name is George Leonard was on there for a week training with him. He's invited me back for more training. I'll be bringing their standards here tarsal canine so when I decide to do something, I'd like to find the highest standards for the training so MSR has the highest standards in Canada for the service dog training. They're also Working towards the national certification for service dogs, which hopefully I don't know last time I heard it was supposed to be starting up in the fall, but because of COVID I'm not sure. But the service dog requirement that you have to have your dogs either trained by a trainer from the they've been approved by the National Standard or work with a trainer from that national standard. So, right now I think there's only five or six of us in Canada that are Association of Professional doctorate service dog trainers, that I think in itself is a very good step towards service dogs in Canada because right now there's there's nothing and the standards are all over the place. people's understanding of service dogs are kind of all over the place as\r\n\r\nwell.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1488.0,"body":"Like the Royal Canadian Legion has proposed kind of some standards for service dogs for veterans and RCMP members. Wounded Warriors sort of has their standards they'd like to see See? So are all these organizations talking together? Are they all kind of talking separately?\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1505.0,"body":"I think they're all talking together. So MSA AR and wounded warriors. That's all they're all part of the same umbrella, I guess you could say. I think the legions by itself, but yeah, I think most people are on the same page. Everybody wants, like every service company wants their standard to be the standard grade. Because they want to be it's it's somewhat of an ego thing, I guess you could say. But I think what they propose and what I've seen them that has been proposed, it's it's very strict. I think it's doable for for dogs and it'll get rid of those the fake service dogs that people are just, you know, going online, filling out a form and getting their service, quote, unquote, certification in the mail around\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1554.0,"body":"slapping a vest on their dog so they can bring it in the mall with them. Yeah.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1557.0,"body":"Yeah. So I think that's a good thing. I think it's, it's about time we get a national standard for it. I agree. As far as that, and I think, you know, like, I kind of touched on it before my, when I look at partnering or training with, with things I want the best, right? I want to be professional. I want to provide the best results for my clients. So my training is, say it's different than other dog trainers, right? I'm not just charging $300 for two sessions or three sessions, to train your dog how to sit or lay down what I'm doing, taking a different approach, right? I want a result from the dog. Okay, so when people come to me for their training, they're not just paying for X amount of sessions, they're paying for a result from the dog. So I lay out the what the goal is what the result is going to be. And I guarantee that result. I'm the only dog trainer around that I know that actually has it. guarantee a results guarantee for their training my guarantee it's I'll just keep working with you and your dog no matter how many sessions it takes until your dog is a different dog you know we reach that goal from what it was before. I mean excluding aggression cases and stuff like that but if you want your dog will be in strained you bring them into me we're going to make them into a very well behaved dog and I guarantee it so it's the result that you're paying for with with Arsenal canine and and that continuous support right they don't just go away after I take everybody's money right so\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1659.0,"body":"do you find you have to train the owner as much as the dog\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1661.0,"body":"I think more so. Yeah, the owners they take a little bit more work because everybody's got you know their preconceived notions or or habits from training their dogs in the past or what they've done with this, this dog and so that kind of sticks with them. You got to keep on The owners more than the dogs, the dogs pick up on things very quickly. In my training sessions I can I'm on the owners a lot more than I am on, everybody's got the same, the same problems, they'll repeat commands over and over and over again. They're not consistent with the training. So you got to keep on and what that, you know, little things like everybody holds their arm up in the air and like flexing, just holding their dog back on the leash. Everybody does it because their dogs are, they're used to their dogs pulling so like I always tell them, put your arm down, push your arm down, stop pulling on the leash. So I look back on it, like, Oh, my training sessions and I think it's a little comical that everybody fits into that same box. But yeah, so it's more of a human imitating than it is dog training. A lot of times when I'm training the people, they feel bad, but I you know, I tell them it's not it's it's everybody. Everybody has the exact same issue. So\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1732.0,"body":"before we wrap up, I'll give you a chance to plug your social media. How can people get in contact with you? How can people see More.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1740.0,"body":"Yeah, you can go on Facebook, we have two pages on Facebook ones for the training, which is our sole canine, the letter K and the number nine. And then we also have for the daycare and boarding, which is our some canine center. So that's on Facebook. We also have to on Instagram as well. So it'd be the same arsal canine and Arsenal canine center, we're slowly starting to add the YouTube channel. Of course you are. So canine www.canine.com is where you're gonna find all the information on the training and all the information on the training and how you can sign up.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1774.0,"body":"I want to thank you very much, Jason, for coming on to the podcast today. And lots of information, lots of really good information.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1782.0,"body":"Yeah, I appreciate. Appreciate the opportunity. It's always good to talk about dog training. Sometimes it's hard to find someone to talk to about it. Because people get annoyed with how much I've talked about Dog Training unless you're around or training people. So yeah, it's awesome. I hope a lot of people enjoy\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1800.0,"body":"Maybe we'll have you on again in the future.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Jason ","startTime":1802.0,"body":"Sounds good.\r\n\r"},{"speaker":"Host ","startTime":1805.0,"body":"If you enjoyed this episode, the best way to support it is to share it on social media, blog about it, or talk about it on your own show. If you have an apple account, please consider reading it on iTunes. I will try to keep the podcast ad free. However, there is a cost to hosting. Thanks for listening\r\n\r\nTranscribed by https://otter.ai\r\n"}]}