I interview Kate Payette who talks about her experience hiking and her plans to complete the Pacific Crest Trail, a 4300Km trail. We also discuss her other passion, powerlifting in which she competed in Provincials and competed at Nationals. She is a member of the Canadian Power Lifting Union. Kate provides some advice for people interested in the sport. Her story is publicly available on Instagram by searching Kate Payette and her YouTube channel is called Prairie Girl Hikes.
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Hey, thanks for having me.
So tell me a bit of both the hike.
Well, it was not what I expected. I got there the whole pandemic thing really shook it down to what it shouldn't ever have been. I ended up changing my flight to a sooner flight to get out before anything got any more hysterical. So I jumped on a sooner flight, got out there. They messed up my gate. And while I was in Calgary, so I ended up missing my flight ran around going through U. S customs because I've never been to the US before. Now I was I had missed my flight, had to go through U S Customs. They were gonna take my stove because it smelled like fuel, which is understandable. And for whatever reason, I had sent my tracking polls in my tent stakes ahead of time to a trail angel. Being is brainiac, as I am. I forgot the tent poles, so I had them with me and I have got through Canadian customs. But when I went through U S customs, they took those. So whatever, I ended up getting on a flight to L. A. And then too San Diego. From there, the company that I flew with was good enough to completely switch everything round. And because it was there a mistake with the gate. The gate numbers were wrong. I just got in a lot. Later, I ended up putting something out on Facebook and asking if anybody had tent poles for the time being, until I could contact Big Agnes and get new tent poles. A trail angel brought that brought me some tent poles for the same tent. It was just a different year, so the tent poles were a little off, but I made it work for the couple of days that I was out there. The first little bit was amazing. The sceneries were unlike anything I have ever seen in my life. I've only ever hiked in Ontario and Saskatchewan. The views were unreal. I only managed to get Ah, couple of days in before I got to Mount Laguna. This pandemic thing was getting worse and worse. People were talking about. A lot of people are getting off trail on Dhe. When I did get to Mount Laguna and get back into cell arrange, my phone exploded with the Pacific Crest Trail Association was telling everybody to get off trail to postpone hikes like the people who hadn't left yet because you only have a small window to start the trail you have from March till May if you're gonna go north bound. Everybody was being told to get off, so I stayed. One night I tried to decide what to do. Like there were some hikers that were continuing on um And then the next day, it just it exploded so fast to the point where the trail towns were shutting down so we could no longer, you know, expect to get good resupplies. We were not being welcomed, was what? The fearmongering waas. There was a lot of me that was terrified, that it was just fearmongering and I didn't want to get off. But then I guess the military was started getting involved and the sheriff showed up and was screaming at everybody to leave. Go home. It turned into a big deal. I talked with a couple of trail angels. I did a lot of thinking, decided the best thing to do was to come home to get off the trail, to protect the trail angels and the small towns. I know that I'm a healthy person, and maybe I even if I did get sick, it wouldn't harm me. But it was the fact that I could be a vector carrying it from town to town. That was what bothered me. I immediate working in health care, working with geriatrics. I couldn't be that person that possibly wiped out a trail angel because a lot of the trail angels are over 60 on a lot of those tiny little towns are retirement towns in the mountains. And I just didn't want it wasn't gonna be the hike that I wanted. I wanted happiness. I wanted fun. I wanted just an amazing backcountry experience. And that was not what I was gonna get any more. I was going to get nothing, but I was gonna get anger from a lot of the town's ah, lot of people. Hitchhiking was going to be impossible. So I made the decision to come off. And then when I got home quarantine for 14 days, figured I may go back in May or whenever, But then I'm pressuring people who already have start dates in May. That's not fair of me either. And then there was the South bound idea that a lot of South bounder start at Manning Park BC and go south to the Mexican border, and that was an option and most people start in July. But then again, I'm putting pressure on the people who already had that idea to go Sobo. I hadn't researched the re supplies to go. So Bo it was all the resupply strategy to go North bound. Some know Bo. So yeah, I got off. And my decision is to go back in 2021 start from the very beginning again and give her my all. It's an attempt, right? There's not a lot of people that finish it. A lot of people started. Um, I know fearmongering is a huge thing, especially before the Sierra and I was I was ready for that. I was not ready for this virus. So
well, tell me a bit of about the trail.
The trail is like the length of it. You start from the Mexican border Campo, California, and you travel through California, Oregon and Washington. It is 4270 kilometers, and you stop in Manning Park B. C. It's got every ecosystem. It's just it's incredible like you. You start in the desert, you go up into the mountains. Oregon, Washington It's just It's been something I've been researching for well over two years. Gathering gear testing year, finding out what works for me because everybody's different. It was devastating to say the least to come home, But I feel like I did the right thing for my morals so I could look in the mirror and know that I'm okay with it. So the trail is from what I got to see was incredible.
Now, what sort of training does one have to do? If they're gonna do something like a 4000 kilometer hike,
spend as much time as you can outside. Honestly, hike as much as you can put on your pack like going to the gym and trying to reenact hiking is not gonna work. Actually, being out there being frozen, being covered in dirt, being put into those situations all the time. That's what's gonna train you to do it. All of my hiking that I do here in Saskatchewan is alone. I I started the trail and I did the trite like from what I did, I did it alone. You don't wanna have to rely on anybody you want to rely on you. You want to know that your back country experience is going to help you survive in any scenario. Honestly, there's always gonna be scenarios that you didn't think of. I thought I was ready for everything and then a virus. I was not ready for virus. So yeah, just get out there, start hiking, figure out what she was work for you. What socks work for you Research the gear, review the gear. I don't get what's most popular. Get what works for you. Like I went through three different packs. I tried an Osprey pack. I love that one for a while. Then I tried a different Osprey pack. That was lighter. I thought I loved it and then realized it wasn't what I wanted. I wanted a lot, a lot more neck room so I could look up. This one was very restricting. So I went with a gossamer gear Mariposa, and it is like a second. It's like a piece of me. I don't even feel it on my back. It's amazing. So, honestly, it comes down to just getting out there, get your experience.
Is there any gear that you would recommend above all else?
Honestly, not really. I really firmly believe that you have to find what works for you because the knife I like might be one that you hate or the shoes that my feet perfectly are ones that give you planter fasciitis or knee issues. Or one piece of advice I would probably go with is if you're going to spend money like if you're gonna, if you're gonna spend, ah, buy expensive things, I would put that money probably into your sleep and shelter system. My sleeping bag I started off when I first started backpacking was just cheapie. Whatever I could find. I think there's like $100 for me, it didn't work. It didn't keep me warm. I invested in something that was with customs and everything over $700. It's a feathered friends down sleeping bag, and this thing is unbelievable. It's less than a pound, and it is. I use it. It's amazing. I did, However, it's a 20 degree bag. I did get a seat, a summit bag liner to help because I was cold. One of the nights I could not get warm. I had to use all of my little I had little hand warmers, and I had to tuck them, like, into my pants to keep you warm. It wasn't, like hypothermic. I was just uncomfortable. I slept, but on and off I was uncomfortable. And so I picked up a sleeping bag liner and then again with the tent, get something that you're gonna you're gonna love. Test it and love it. Make sure you love it. Yeah, just get what works for you. And if you're gonna spend anything, make put it on your shelter in your sleeping system,
Do you ever worry about your safety owed on the trail? Especially if you're tracking alone?
I'm not gonna lie in Sam Invincible. Obviously, I'm not. It goes in hand with, you know, trying to be prepared, trying to think of every scenario. You can't know what's gonna happen all the time. Right? Like this year alone. We just lost somebody on the trail. He passed away and he was very experienced on the trail and he slipped and fell wth These things can happen. There's no way to be completely prepared taking into scotch when I guess bear everybody, everybody seems toe Every time I say I take a loan or a camp alone, they all think Well, there's bear. You're gonna get killed out there. Yes, it's a possibility. But honestly have bear common sense. Use your research. It know it. I don't know. I've run into, like, eight bear. Now none of them have been particularly aggressive. Know how to handle the situation. And if you don't learn how it's a never you're always learning you're never gonna be a pro. It's something, right? Like I thought that I had everything to keep me warm And the the second night on trail I was cold. I had the merino wool. I had this smart wool. I had, um, the down sleeping bag and I was still cold. So I learned from that I got a bag liner Test your stuff, Know how to fix it? Just be smart out there. It's You're out there. You are all on your own. Take courses, take wilderness courses. If you don't want to do it alone than take it. Wilderness course learn. There's online stuff that you could do. Tow, tow, learn how to feel safer out there. Honestly, my biggest thing is telling people like our ancestors lived in the wild I I don't know why. Well, I do with social media, like media has beed all these predators out to be these monsters. They're going to come and kill you. It's not honestly, they don't want anything to do with us. I think I'm Maur scared of prairie Chicken. I don't know if you know my my experience with Peri Chicken, but there was one hike that I was doing with my cousin, and I mean, I came around a corner and I was almost face to face with a loan. Bison. He stood up. I almost shit my pants. There was no there was some Hazel bush to hide behind. That was it. He turned tail and ran. Uh, not long after that, a bull moose came out of the bush again. A couple of little Aspen's to hide behind. Nothing, really. He saw us. He traced back into the bush. And then not long after that, a pretty chicken came flying out of the bush hissing, and I dropped my sunglasses and he wouldn't give them back. He he stood over top of the sunglasses and hissed and squawked and attacked me. And if I wasn't in a national park. I think I would have cooked up a little bastard. Um, that is the only animal that attacked me was a fucking birdcage. Can't. But yeah, I just use your common sense. Know what's out there? Know what's around? You let people know where you are. I let my husband know all the time. This is the trailhead that I'm starting at all light. I'll text you when I get out. Oh, are you know, and he knows, Like, if I haven't brought my pack and don't have a tent or whatever, then he knows full well, I'm not going to stay the night. I'm sure much is dark out, and I'm still not home. Right? And one thing for the trail is no. Your escape routes, like if, instead of turning all the way around, find those alternate routes to get back to a town, if you can. If it gets snowstorm hits or you you know, you hurt yourself and you need to get to a town. Know those alternate roads? You're on your own out there. Take care of yourself. Don't rely on anyone else
for me. I do some training with Thea with the cadets on expedition training. But we always go in. Group has never We're never hiking alone, and it's generally I would say, say, for your stolen the Bush, but and there's still a level of risk. But the stuff that I do with the level that I teach art is a lot safer than what you're looking out of. 4000 kilometer, multi terrain, multi faceted hike. And even then, things still happen. People twist their ankles, people. They've misjudged their physical fitness level, and suddenly they're unable to continue. And, well, you're in the middle of the bush. There's no road nearby. You have to have those plans. And I think you touched on something really important earlier. Blooding. Someone know where you're at? You know that preplanning stage Is Justus important as actually doing the actual physical? Oh yeah. Knowing which weather is going to be prominent while you're familiar hiking like you said, anticipating those situations, maybe not a full on pandemic worldwide, but
absolutely. And I mean I had I have a trail angel that the one that actually brought me my tent poles or he loaned me hiss. He has been amazing. He has not left my side Kind of like with information about so Cal, he has, you know, constantly sent me whether updates. Um, even though I'm not even on the trail just to let me know what to expect next year, you know? And And his thing is, now, you know, Now when you come back next year, now you'll know. And if it's true that those first couple of days on trail they're going to look like charity to this, this is what I can expect. Whereas, you know, this year when I went, I've never even been in the States before. But I'm gonna do it alone, do a trail. But, you know, like so get as much research in a CZ. You can and absolutely let people know where you are at all times. And I My mom would not let me do this trail without a garment in reach. Um, and I will use it out here. Now that I have it all connected and everything. I will use it out. It's a scotch, and it'll give me that little extra bit of security. So when I used to stay right on the trails, I won't mind going off a little bit and detouring and finding, you know, little gems hidden in the bush. I don't want it to give me too much sense of security like it's It's not just and that's another thing, is the It's It's not. It's a various things very seriously thing to press that S o s button and have rescue, search and rescue. They're volunteer workers to come out into the danger to find you honestly using it just because
well cost you a lot of money.
Yeah, that too. Um, I
heard you got to pay something like $15,000 or something like that. That's why
use your head. Your best bet is to not just, you know, for your very first time go out. Totally inexperienced rate. Start slow, work your way up. Um, I'm not a professional. I've never threw hyped before rate like, but yeah, I don't know. I like having the garment in reach is definitely a huge safety measure. I appreciate my mom picking it up and making sure I had it. So
with the with the advent of in reach and spot and though that that technology, I think it's really important that, Especially if you're gonna be ableto loan on a trail that you have some form of safety measure in that regards. But what I tell people to is, just make sure you pay for the subscription. Just don't buy the device and take it. Oh,
absolutely. Yeah. I hope that works pay monthly so that you have it, but yeah, just I'm I'm I was devastated about getting off the trail, but I'm trying to be positive about it. And just looking at this gives me a whole other year of more experience that I confined. So I'll get back out there and I will like, obviously, it's minus 35 in this goddamn province. Not today. But we're in the middle of a snowstorm and some
unbelievable. Unbelievable. It's April. What forth today? Yeah, and there's about 10 7 years of snow on the ground and
still falling. Lots of wind, crappy weather. So I might have a couple of weeks before I can go hide in my tent.
You don't do winter camping.
I haven't. No. And I don't really have any real want to be going out. I don't mind if you know it snows throughout the night and, you know, you get up and it's it's warmer. I don't have anyone to do Major whimper. Winter camping in Saskatchewan.
It's terrible. I've done it a few times. Yeah, like I've had to do it and I not my favorite thing,
right? I would probably do it if I had to, but I'm not gonna go out of my way too. Do it.
Just getting paid by the military to do it. That's okay. I might do that. But just putting myself through that voluntarily. Yeah, maybe
not so much. I'm a cold person as it is. So I'm no, I'm good. Plus, I would have to buy all new gear.
Yeah, that's true. There is a separate level of gear for winter and summer and even spring getting that stuff because I have made that mistake. When I first started where I got one of those sleeping bags and oh, yeah, it's good. Thio minus temple minus 10 is That's the That's the breaking point. Yeah, it's comfortable, actually.
Minus 10. No,
that's comfortable, Diogo. Five degrees Celsius.
Yep, exactly. Anything after that. You know, that's why I got the liner. Because 20 degree no I think it was 20 degrees that night and I was cold and uncomfortable. So getting this liner, it was like one of the rescue liners or whatever. So I think it added, like 15 degrees to the bag,
talking about about physical fitness and that, you know, you got to be physically fit if you're gonna be on the trail. It's simple. Is that you can't You can't just
see I say that. But then last year a guy started the trail and he was well over £400. Never stepped foot on the trail before. His name is second chance and he had quite a bit of the trail. I followed him on YouTube. I thought he was just amazing to be out there and just the gung ho of screw it. I'm gonna learn like he was from Florida. Never seen Snow in his life. And he started, I think, in February, on the trail, like he was going through snow. It was awful. So know your limits, but also challenge yourself. I don't know. I felt more comfortable going in more fit. Although I did fluff up quite a bit. I I was worried about losing to too much. So I started inhaling food around Christmas time and well before that, and trying to pack on as much weight as I could. Didn't really work.
So spring boarding off of, you know, physical fitness on the trail. Keeping yourself fit. You do power lifting. Tell me a bit about power lifting.
Ah, power lifting is you do the three lifts of the squad bench and dead lift. I am in the CPU, so it's the Canadian power lifting union. It is a sanction sport. It's tested, so there's equipped and raw. I do raw. I've always wanted to try equipped, but I don't really have the resources for it. What's the difference? Uh, so equipped is when you're using the knee wraps and the's squat, deadlier suit and the event shirt. It just gives you an advantage. You can lift heavier. There's multiplies their single ply. There's don't know a whole bunch of boat equipped lifting. I haven't really delved into it because I don't really have the resources around Prince Albert, but it looks fun. I've done raw. That's all I've ever done. So Ross is you can have your wrist wraps and your knee sleeves and that's in your belt. So that's all I've been doing it for, I think four years now. It's my therapy. I need that so much. I even three weeks off, and I was. I missed it a lot. It's, uh, everybody needs to find their thing, your thing that helps them get through stuff. And for me, it's that for
sure. Trading for power lifting What does training look like?
I trained four times a week. I still run the couch. I was coached by Calgary Barbeau and I keep the same training template from them. It's It's an R P based eso rate of perceived exertion. So you work up to whatever your set is for the day, and then you do drop sets. And right now I'm in volume because I'm right back to Week one. Yeah, so I squat twice a week. I bench four times a week and I dead lift twice a week. The Bench II due to competition bench and two variants, one competition squat, one variant and one competition dead lift and one very in an accessory. Work is whatever your weaknesses are right. So I wouldn't mind getting a little bit extra cardio in, but I guess you just up the sets. Right?
So when you're training for a competition via just, you know, someone does power lifting as a hobby, but then they want to compete. What's the difference? Where do you have toe? Where do you have to change your habits?
I think you would definitely have to put more into it. But anybody can compete. Honestly, you're competing against yourself. You're just trying to get a new PR personal record. Every time you go up there, you just put into it what you want to get back, right? Like if you're only into it for a hobby and you're only lifting twice a week and not putting effort into it, you're probably not gonna get much out of it. Where is if you're, you know, running a program or Yeah, you're gonna get more out of it
now. Diet wise. I heard you. I heard for power lifting that diet. You know, their
power lifters. Yeah. Yeah, I agree and disagree. We trained for strength, whereas cross fitters and everything. Yes, they trained for strength, but my cousin is fuck it jacked. And she does not power lived. What
are you doing it for? Aesthetics. Are you doing it? No,
not at all. I do it for strengths. I do it for my mental health. And so food. Honestly eat. We can. I am trying to cut down a little bit because I did get fluff ear for the hike. But again, there is a very huge like you have weight categories, right? So I compete in the 72 kilo class. Well, you know, some people cut diet is a big thing in powerlifting we need when we may not look like, you know, bodybuilders and and physique competitors. But we don't train for that. It's It's a totally different thing. We trained for strength, so we want the bulk. We want the muscle. But then again, some people do both. Some people power lift and do physique competitions. Good on you, like, but diet. Yeah, you still have to look at macro is you still have to like a lot of people counter Mac rose, and as much as they say fat power lifters and we eat all we want, we really don't. You know, you still have to be smart about it.
Yeah, I mean, the last week I had Kelly Burns on the podcast and he was talking about a bodybuilding. We touched on power lifting very quickly. He was talking about bodybuilding being about that physique, right? Your China master poses. And compared to power lifting where you're trying to get the personal record, what's it like going to nationals?
That was incredible. That was amazing. Just the best of the best of Canada. It was incredible to see. Like, my hero is right, Stan. She's incredible to watch. Compete just the people. They're like, Everybody's so supportive, like, um, power lifting. One of the reasons why I love power lifting so much is that people don't judge you like they do a physique competition. I could never stand on stage. Kudos to you. I could never do it. I could never have somebody look at my body and tell me No, No. Yep. Nope. Powerlifting is. You're doing this for you? Yeah. I don't know. I think nationals was an amazing experience.
Well, tell me a bit more about it. Tell me like, what was it like? You know, Did you apply for nationals or
you have to compete at provincial and regional levels on Dhe qualify for nationals. So I did all of that prior to it, and the lead up to it was with awesome. Yeah. So you you have to qualify. It's not just a walk in and do nationals, right? You have to compete prior to that. So
do you have a coach?
I did. I was coached through Calgary. Barbeau and I got coached up to nationals, eh? So I had him for about a year and 1/2 2 years before. For two years, I think I had him coaching me, learned so much from him. He was amazing. And then after nationals, I knew I was doing this hike, so I just kind of went off on my own. I would probably get coached again. Absolutely. I definitely recommend it. Toe toe, have somebody cause you could do your own programming. Actually, one of my teammates does his own program, and he's amazing. Out of his first place, you know, he's he's crazy, but I can't do that. I prefer to not even know what's on the bar when I do compete, or when I look in the warm up room. If I have somebody loading for me or whatever. I prefer not to know what's on it. Just tell me what to lift or how many, reps. And don't tell me what's on the bar.
Can you lift it mentally? Right. I've heard I've heard of that. You can lift it physically, but can you lift it mentally?
They actually have a thing. Now it was Bryce Louis that, uh, I first saw it from was putting garbage bags over the the plates. So you you know, you get your teammate to load the bar to obviously not just anything there. They're looking at your programming. They know what you're kind of working up to, and so they'd load the bar and then cover it with our black garbage bags. So you have no idea what's on the bar that takes the psychological knowing of what's on the bar out, and it's that's I'd like to try that. I think that would be interesting because even the warm up room, not knowing I have no idea what that is. But that felt good, you know? And that's all I tell my coach. I felt good. Keep going.
But when you're a nationals and even regionals even locally, is there Ah, camaraderie there?
It's amazing. Yeah, like people I don't even really know From Regina from Edmonton from It's amazing, like they're all supportive of you. Everybody's supportive of everybody. I've never been. I've never been into sports, Really. Powerlifting was the very first sport I've ever been into. Its just a teen crazy, like when we went to nationals, all of sasquatch, one head sweaters. We were teams this Kotchman, and you know, everybody's cheering everybody on. There's no shit talking while I'm sure there is like in every sport, but it's less I don't hear it as much. Yeah, it's it's incredible to be in that warm up room and have those people cheering you on and, you know, screaming at you to you know, when you're on the platform, people you don't even know just screaming at you to, you know, stand up, O r. Push or you know, all those cues that Yeah, it's amazing. So,
what do your Pee ers
Ah, my squad to shit, It always has been. It's 2 75 my bench is 1 85 and my dad left is 3 35 as of now
strong back. Need that for how you can.
Yeah, I've always struggled with squad. It's always been my worst lift. Um, a lot of it could be psychological, too, but I put up much as I can into it. But I got little twigs for legs that I keep trying to grow that don't want to grow.
What do you think the difference is for male competitors and female competitors?
I don't know if there's much of any in power lifting we all like both put the same amount of effort in There's it's Yeah, like the competition is still the same. It's I don't I don't think there is very much of a difference.
That's good. So it's a sport where, Yeah, it's kind of, you know, besides obvious, you know, muscular, skeletal, obviously, like
the men's bench is always going to be bigger, like men can bench like and all of their lifts, they're generally gonna be like guys. Can some corn dead lift £800? Where is you know, I think our highest raw dead lift in Canada is Jessica Bittner, and I think it's some. It's well into the 500. I think Um and that was, I think she competed in this 72 class for that maybe 84. It's all relative to the weight class writes in the weight ratio.
So any tips for people that want to get into power lifting
do it. Absolutely do it. I can't recommend power lifting more. I'm I'm a very solo person. I'm very anti social. I like my little Jim. It's just I think there's three or four of us on dhe. We've, you know, see each other here and there. But for the most part, it's I like training solo. Lot of people like training as a team. I like it when my team is in there, but for the most part, most of 90% of my training is done alone. So, honestly, just get to it. If you're embarrassed about how light your lips are, who cares? You were doing this for you? Yeah. And And don't I don't think you have to look anyway or be anyway, just, you know, do you? Honestly, moms, get out there, You know, little or bigger guys. Get out there. God damn! Those Scotsman farmers are like ridiculously strong. You guys were like born on strength, hauling hail or bales of hay and, like, it's just yeah, get out there and do it. I can't recommend it enough
any, uh, any starting area. And if you had two point someone somewhere, toe, have them like they're fresh, they've never done power lifting before. Is there anything specifically you appoint them towards
me because I was coached by Calgary Bar Belly really like them, But they do have a Freetown slip to start with. But there's like, honestly, for me, I had one of the guys at the pen. Actually, that ice rob, he when I was first said, I kind of wanted to start power lifting. He gave me like, a giant binder of so much information, and I always like a sponge. I loved it. You confined information everywhere you have. Unfortunately, with Google, you have to weed out the crap. But if I could like you do anywhere, I would probably go to Calvary Barbeau. They have amazing coaches. Price is unreal, strong and amazing as a person. Like the stuff he puts out. He's got a YouTube channel, you know, like to help with what he does like form check Fridays or whatever. There's Danny. There's Tyler Taylor, Sandra, like they've got a bunch of coaches and they are unreal. So
well, something definitely go there. Well, you've done some showed oats to some other companies and that any ah media showed oats for yourself. Before we wrap this up,
my Facebook is usually kept for, like, close family and friends. But my instagram is no capitals. Kate underscore Payet and I don't have a different, you know, one for power lifting one for hiking. I just throw it all in the same shit. So if you want to follow follow I had started a YouTube for the Pacific Crest Trail. It's only God, I think seven or eight videos. I will continue it again. Maybe in the summer when I do some more longer hikes and again when I restart the trailing 2021. But for now, it's prairie Girl hikes on YouTube. So if you want himto follow that, give it a like go nuts.
Awesome. Well, thank you very much for coming out onto the podcast today, Kate. It's much appreciated and we'll have you back again sometime.
Okay. Thank you.
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