March 31, 2020

Coffee Time with Kelly Burns

Coffee Time with Kelly Burns

I talk with Kelly who is a 5 time amateur body building competitor. He is a Provincial winner and placed 4th in Nationals. He gives some insight into the industry and we talk about how people can take the ultimate test of body building by bringing it to the stage.

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spk_1:   0:00
so quick I was keeping. Before you start this episode, you may notice some humming in this episode. Unfortunately, due to 10 7 years, snow, a greater went by several times in front of my house. I was unable to add it all the noise out. I am working on sound dampening

spk_0:   0:17
my recording area so this won't happen again. So my apologies for

spk_1:   0:21
this. In this episode, Kelly talks, but amateur bodybuilding competitions we touch on diet, mental aspects, the industry, and Kelly gives some deep insight on how to take your body building to the stage. I hope you're able to find some value in this insider knowledge. Interviewing Kelly Burns Kelly coaches organized hockey. He runs a small gym for law enforcement. Enjoys working out on being with this family. He's competed five times in this. A scratch one Body Building Association competition 347 4010 in 2016. In 2007 he won the overall provincial command, and in 2010 he placed fourth at nationals. How you doing, Kelly? Very good. Thank you for having me. Well, thank you for coming on to the podcast today.

spk_0:   1:20
Happy to be here sharing the knowledge, see if we can inspire.

spk_1:   1:25
Absolutely. That's what we do, right? Yep, so before it into your bodybuilding competitions. Just want to ask, What's it like coaching hockey?

spk_0:   1:33
It's excellent. I've been coaching now for seven years with my sons and my step daughter for the last year. Yeah, just a good way to give back. And I still I gotta be around my kids just that extra time when they're on the ice and I'm on the bench now I have a five year old who started up this year, so I was on the ice with him for all his practices and games, and it was just nice. Get a little exercise to

spk_1:   1:54
any particular challenges. When you're coaching hockey here nowadays, just

spk_0:   2:00
your regular challenge is how to how to try and motivate the kids to give their their best. And then how to Ah, it's that I'm all about the off ice lessons because a crossover for most kids that I've ever coached, it's not gonna make the money. It's not gonna make them a better person. The ah, nice skills. You have to teach that stuff, but I'm more interested in the off ice seals, where you use the teamwork, you use the leadership, you use the followers role. You know, you learn all that stuff in hockey and in all sports with being a coach. I'm able to teach the kids some of that stuff, and that's where I kind of look look towards

spk_1:   2:36
teaching the hard skills. That's easy. It's the soft skills. Yeah, it's the leadership, the stuff they're going to carry on later on in life,

spk_0:   2:44
behind the scenes stuff. I mean, everybody can see if if, if a team has progressed is a with skill level. You know you're the successes there. The effort is there. But it's the stuff behind the scenes when you can see these kids learning how to be good people, good adults later in life. That's where that's what I'm kind of interested in when it comes to sports, what I like to try and teach, you know, that's

spk_1:   3:06
so when did you decide to do bodybuilding competitions?

spk_0:   3:11
God, I think it was about 26 years old and I'd already been training for a good eight years. I started when I was 18. I picked up weights when I was still in high school. I played hockey from 6 to 18 years old, 17 18 years old, and then I got into lifting weights. Just I needed something to do. I got a lot of energy, and if I don't get rid of it in a good way, I get into trouble. So just picked up the weights after school. I train after school with a few buddies in high school, and I started training in the mornings with mild principle or he was said teacher, then Dale Regal and him and I would meet at the high school gym. It's seven in the morning train Tell eat. I'd go home. Then I get ready for school and come back for whatever recording nine or whatever it was. So that's kind of how we started. And then I was trained with him for probably two or three years like that. And then when I went toe Cy asked for the corrections worker program, I met another guy there who was competitive bodybuilder or he had competed. So I started training with him and really liked it. Like the challenge. And as about 26 28 somewhere in there that I thought, well, better see what we can do. And I was interested to see, interested to see what I could do with my body, how I could change it. So that just gave me a good opportunity to. And I did my first show in 2003 and I probably weighed about. I'm thinking, probably book to 20 to 25 maybe 2 30 and then I died it down to 1 92 and it was good. It was a good, uh, get my foot in the pool and then, yeah, I just kind of continue from

spk_1:   4:36
there. So what's it like on stage? So when it's all done and over with the training and the dieting, and that when you're finally you're up on stage, what's that feeling?

spk_0:   4:47
It's It's it's adrenaline because I've my 1st 2 shows, one or two shows for sure. I wasn't all that good like I wasn't as well prepared as I could have been. I was really new to the sport, my trainer for my 2nd 3rd and fourth show, Brian Hurt. Zach Way started working together for my second show, and I was a lot better in my first show, but I still wasn't bang on. I still wasn't didn't find my my recipe that would work for it. As faras diet discipline goes when you're on stage and you and you have no other quote, no questions of Could I Dunmore, you know, am I good enough? Adrenaline. It's It's a great feeling, tremendous feeling of success mixed in with, you know, that I'm also very competitive, so I want to win. I'm competitive that way, and I've always been fairly fortunate with My shows have always placed reasonably well. I'm a shorter guy, which doesn't hurt on stage. I typically weigh about £180.182 pounds when I'm in shape. Most guys air, you know, five foot 95 foot 10 almost six feet. So when you're shorter on stage, you look a lot wider. You look a lot more compact, compact. I guess. I always kind of had taller guys that were my weight. So it was kind of nice. Yeah, the feeling when you're up there is just It's a lot like Christmas or a wedding. It's a lot of build up. It's a lot of anticipation. It's a lot of stress. It's a lot of hard work, and then it's over far too quick. You know that the day of the show is a blur. Your you've shut off your water for about a day, at least most of us have a few sips here in there. Maybe a couple chunks ice Justo keep you running. But that that day's hubler, it's a blur. I'm certain points for me. Chill like a member of that day when I when I competed in Prince Albert, had a lot of family and friends come and watch me, and that was awesome to have all that support. And I remember when I got announced for winning the middleweight, the best poser and winning the overall. I remember all those moments, but I can't member in between stuff. I can remember being in the back, pumping up. I can't member being ah, waking up those mornings, You know, it's just that that day goes by very quick. It's a lot like a like Christmas morning, you know, you look forward to it and then it's over

spk_1:   6:58
building up to the actual competition. I hear that the pose work is just a CZ important as actual body composition.

spk_0:   7:09
Yeah, the opposing. It's a must. Do you have to practice posing religiously every day? Not only do you have to, you have a routine, a Minuteman and 1/2. I think it's a minute routine, and you you want to be flawless out there. There's no point in coming in shape if I can't display it properly. I mean, I've worked for most diets or for 20 weeks is the diet most competitions for myself for a year and 1/2? Prep with the bulk up the, you know, trying to make sure you don't get injured so you don't get a step behind there. And then when you when you get in a shape and your China presented, it's a beauty contest. Essentially, when you're trying to present that what you've built, what you've done, you wanna be able thio, show it in a positive light. And if you're not polished, if you're not ready, it shows up there. If you're shaking, guys can see people can see if you're not able to hold your poses long enough, people can see if you can hold your waist tight. People can see you know So for me, I've always tried to have ah polished routine. And my my mandatory poses air are usually Ah, pretty good. Pretty. You know, I would work with my trainer, Bryan and I got a couple good buddies. Check Cameron. Greg Swales. We've always helped each other with these shows in these Ah, with our posing, So you know you just the way it has to be. I've seen a lot of guys who could have placed better and several shows, but they just don't know how to display it. You know, that's that's all part of the pageantry,

spk_1:   8:36
if you will. So there's obviously competition. But is there a sense of camaraderie as well?

spk_0:   8:44
When I first got into it, yes, but I was living in Saskatoon at the time, so there was a lot more competitors from Saskatoon. So everybody kind of it was all of our first experience with it, and it was all our first show. So we're all really pushing each other and and yes, in Saskatoon and bigger centers, there is still that camaraderie. But in Prince Albert, aside from me and a few of my good buddies who you know, have competed over the years is not a lot of people who compete, You know, you always get people saying all good luck and it must be hard and but they don't know. They don't know what it's like when you're in the middle of a diet. There, towards the end of a diet, the cheese was cheese with sound, which it looks like gold. I mean, if you stuck to your diet and you've been that discipline for 20 months, 20 weeks, it's tough. It's tough. So I've got my core group of buddies who you know I can call on and and complain of a bitch and complain about what I'm what I'm feeling, what I'm experiencing. And it's a head game. You might wake up in the morning and your body's completely dry, so you look tight. Everything's, you know, looking were right where you want it. And then by noon you've had three liters of water and things are starting to get flushed out, and you need, ah, someone to talk to you. Yeah, it's a must have, and it's nice when you have guys who've done it because not only they know the experience, but they know what to look for Comptel by what a guy looks like, how far off from a show he is. If you've done it and often been around enough, that's my trainer was really good for that. Brian hurt Zach for my 2nd 3rd and fourth show. He was Ah, I had a really good eye for the for the sport. He could calm you down, but people have lives. You can always call the same person. And that's what I found with. My last show is went with a different trainer, and I'm kind of a basket case when I compete, So I need a lot of reassurance. I get quite self conscious. I didn't take into account. He's got other athletes that he's got to deal with. He's got a career and a family and a life that was kind of hard on him for me to always be messaging and, you know, feeling that insecurity. So I relied on my buddy's a lot and they help get you through it

spk_1:   10:42
kind of talked about it a little bit, but getting into my next question I had What are some of the sacrifices that you have to make when you compete in professional body building

spk_0:   10:53
Well, for professionals. I mean, like, I was just on amateur. But the sacrifices all its all time, the only sacrifice is really time. Time away from your family. Time away from your kids for me. I took, I took the serious or the sport really serious. I did, I did. I did everything I was supposed to for my show. And I didn't neglect any of my duties as a father or a spouse. But in saying that, I remember my last show. I go on, watch my son play soccer. I wasn't watching. Well, he's running around trying to kick the ball and have fun. I'm sitting on a chair thinking about what I have to do that night. How many meals I have left to eat. I gotta mail prep for tomorrow. I still have to do my posing so you're there and spend in physically but emotionally mentally. Year you're off, and it's a quite a selfish sport. That way. During your diets during the competition diet the rest of the year year, you're pretty, pretty good, but I mean given up, given up food, that's that's your choice. You can't really be too bummed out about it. You know what you're getting into, Especially if you've done it more than once. You know, I competed five times and I knew each time. Now she's with sound is gonna look good by the end of the show. But the better that Cheez Whiz sandwich looks, the better I've done. The harder I've died it the more I can be proud of myself.

spk_1:   12:14
Do you have to prep yourself up psychologically before you start a competition knowing that the sacrifices are gonna have to be made, like, do you got to talk to your family and say, Listen, things are gonna be a little wonky around here for a bit. Well, yeah, like for probably my 2nd 3rd

spk_0:   12:30
and fourth shows. I was with the same woman, so she knew what was coming. And she was behind me, for the most part then and with my kids, even for my last show is in 2015. My sons were quite young. They didn't know what was going on. They just knew that I was eating the same food every day and started look leaner. Yeah, there is some psychological prep work, I guess. I think a lot of that's worked out in the gym, though, cause, like for each show, I've always bulked up. And for the last one, I didn't get quite as heavy as I had in the past. But, you know, for my for that 2010 show, no internationals. I bulked up to 50 and I dyed it down to 1 80 in 2020 weeks, close £70. And during that whole bulk up, I didn't care how fat I got. I didn't care how big I got because I knew the end goal was for me to be a bigger and on stage, you know? And, uh, that's the one thing I miss. A ble competitive aspect is having that goal and having that gauge Thio in that motivation, it's It's quite quite powerful against her, quite strong. And during its during that time that, yeah, you know, I'm going to be a big, heavy guy. Five foot 8 £250 have you quite round, to put it mildly and ah, that e. I think getting that heavy like I couldn't do that again. There's no way I could ever do that again. That was Ah, that was quite uncomfortable. Not very healthy. Then. Once you're that big, you start looking at Well, now what can we do with this? What can we shape this all into? So you start slowly stripping away the layers and sculpting at haute and over 20 weeks. You know, you get get

spk_1:   14:09
quite tight, quite happy. So when you've did your first competition back in 2003 younger than you are now, was it easier than it was for your 2016 competition?

spk_0:   14:22
It was easier physically because I was younger. I hadn't had any injuries. Physically, it was easier just in the sense of nothing. Hurt like it does. No, but and then for my 2016 show, it was easier Mentally. I found it. No problem sticking to my diet. I didn't let myself get too carried away with craving. I just kind of it just seemed to fall in place. I have a buddy at work. He's 10 years older than me, and he's competed in numerous num number of times. And he always said, The older you get, the easier it is to get clean. It's just something that happens. I don't know if it's an age thing. I have no idea. But I found for my last short, definitely easiest to stay on my diet. But physically, if I find even now trying to lose £10 I used to be able to do that in a couple 345 weeks. Easy. 234 weeks without stepping up much cardio are eating that much cleaner. Just kind of take a few things out in your You're losing weight now. Doesn't really want to do that, so I don't know.

spk_1:   15:28
Body wants to hold on to it more. Yeah, I just

spk_0:   15:31
find it starting It starts to slow down after a while. That's just the reality of that's biology. That's just what we're making. Our makeup it.

spk_1:   15:40
What do you think of ah, dieting? There seems to be a diet for everything. Paleo carnivore, Kito Akins. I think they're quick fixes

spk_0:   15:50
most of them. And I'm not gonna go off on any individual diet out there fat or whatever you wanna call him. I just think there they're for people who don't wanna put their head down and do a bit of work. And you have to put sweat on the floor to lose weight, and you have to eat clean. My last diet, I ate more potatoes, more race, moral male than any other diet. And even my my last two diets were quite carb friendly. I had a lot of carbs in them. I think it's people with those die. Those diets, they don't and I don't think everybody has to go to the gym. I'm not that guy, Just not if it's not for you. It's not for you. You can. You can train like a beast, eat like shit and look like a ship. Or you can train moderately, eat fairly decent and get some decent results. When I was 2 50 I was eating like shit. I was eating McDonald's every other day. I was eating this ever. You know, I was just anything I could eat. I ate, and that was just to get big. And then when I when I began to chip away at that, the idea is to lose all the fat and keep all your muscle. You're gonna lose muscle. No matter what you're on, are no matter what you're eating, that's just that just the way it is. But the idea is to lose This Little is you. Can I think for that show I probably lost. I have no idea how much muscle if I lost any. I just know from 2 50 to 1 80 I was tight. You look good when my diet was bang on. But nowadays these paleo diets, these you know, everybody wants the quick fix and trying. When I do discuss this with people, I try and say We'll just think if you were If this is 400 years ago, if you are 100 years ago when you had to forge for your own food and you had to harvest your own food and you have t o go out and shoot a deer, you're not gonna fill up to the brim every time you have a meal because it's too much work. Just trying to keep all that food. You're gonna kill enough and harvest enough food and and grow enough crops to sustain you. That's the other thing people don't want. Oh, they don't want to hear they don't want. Except his food is just simply energy. It's just simply gas for your body. Not every meal you eat, pass to sound or has to taste like Gordon Ramsay cooked it. People just They want to have pizza and fries every meal and and lose weight. And that's not the way it is.

spk_1:   18:15
Is it difficult to go from eating McDonald's every other day to suddenly flipping that switch and then going completely clean? Because I hear from people I've seen in videos before, of people that they get on to eating what they want, and then they have to switch over and change, and suddenly it becomes extremely difficult psychologically, as emotionally them,

spk_0:   18:41
Yeah, it like if you'd stopped cold turkey, it is tough for that 2010 show. I did a four week. The hardcore diet was only 16 only 16 16 weeks. The 1st 4 weeks were just starting to take things out to see what my body did. And as soon as I stopped the fast food and took out a few of the other bad things that was eating at the time, it was Ah, it wasn't that bad, and I'm the type of person that and my trainer knows this, that if once it's all out of my system and I'm over those cravings. I'm good. I'm good. I could put my head down. I could do the work and get through it. But if I have cheap meals, it's just like a smoker. Having a drag of a smoke was quick for 10 years. It just instantly I'm craving again, so I don't have cheap mills. When I died, I think each died. I've had to, and that's only because I dyed it through Father's Day or my birthday. So I was able to have some cake and, you know, whatever. But a lot of guys can have it. My buddy Greg can have a cheap meal a week. You can have a cheat day, and it doesn't really faze him. He's different that way. Where is me If I I don't even have have candy. Nothing. Don't have a candy, a tumor gum. You don't drink the water and have it. Have died pop on my diet and coffee, and just then then your food. That's it. It's all I put in my system that way. Too weak, too weak. I know what I can lose an analytic, and I know what would I have to reduce in my in my meal plan to lose weight. So if you're messing with it, adding anything that shouldn't be there, you don't ever get a really good gauge. Your trainer doesn't know what to do with you because your body's not changing the way it should. So once I get everything out, I'm good. It's not near the mental stress of Post Show. When you're done the show that's quite hard

spk_1:   20:26
mentally. Tell me a bit about polls show.

spk_0:   20:30
Well, you work this hard to get shredded and you like we get into really good shape, and it only lasts for so long because you want to go back to those snacks. It's for me when I'm done a show I've used. It feels like I've used every last bit of will power that I have. And then once the show is over, I have nothing left. I can't stop myself from eating well for a day or two. Usually my stomach's upset and I can't eat like I like. I really want to. But after that you start getting in tow. You know, the the Candies and the you know you reward yourself and it doesn't take long for those lines to start to fade over and blend in. And it's quite hard mentally to go from looking like that, all that hard work. Have enough six pack and all your major muscles out and on display to back to normal. It's very, very hard. That's one thing I wish we would have known for. Our first show was, was how hard it was gonna be Po show. Just getting back to normal. You know, a lot of people off now. Nowadays, with the Internet and a lot of people doing bikinis and all that stuff. Ah, lot of people are aware of that body dysmorphia. I guess you'd call it or whatever you want to say. You get very depressed cause you have to take time off from the gym because you just beat up your body and then internally, you've done some damage. The sport. The sport looks good and it presents itself well, but it's it's quite unhealthy. When you push your body that are, it's very, uh taxing on the system and I'd like my last show took me on 13 15 weeks to get completely over everything that I had done internally like my guts. I couldn't eat without getting upset stomach for about 15 weeks and feeling like I was gonna get sick all the time. And it's just a bad, bad experience. I pushed my body pretty hard. That one. Yeah, it's just very, very hard to get past that stuff.

spk_1:   22:19
Do you think that there's a bit of an expectation in society for people to look that way all the time?

spk_0:   22:26
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean most. My expectation. I put on myself like that last show. I think I would have had a little bit more successful, wouldn't put so much pressure on myself. My last show, I had already competed at that level, and I had done that show in 2007 and I won that whole show. I was putting pressure on myself. Toe bring a good package to the show. You know, come in, shredded. Come in bigger than I was before, and I ended up in the last two weeks doing quite the opposite. I had lost quite a bit of weight within 10 days. I think I lost eight days and then close close to £20 with counting the water water's 8 to £12 easy, but I lost quite a bit of weight, and I just told me it was all putting pressure on myself. The stress kicked in and the muscle just seems toe to fall off. Yeah, it just melts. So and this far society putting it on there. I don't know if I think I mean everybody just kind of for me. I still train. I still keep myself in decent shape, but I don't feel any pressure to look that way. It's definitely if you're looking at Hollywood wise and that type of thing. Well, yeah, but they're paid to look that way. I mean, if you paid me whatever they get paid per per film per movie per her commercial Aaron, I easily be big inject. It's It's not that hard to do, especially if you've got people who are their professional trainers. You're taking all the best supplements you

spk_1:   23:46
can. You confined, taking gear to. There's probably

spk_0:   23:49
some gear. I don't know who's on, but you know, if you see a guy who's one show this size and the next you always plus 15 £25 you can start thinking while on as a 40 year old man put on that much weight. Now it could be kind of you start to suspect something's, but I think a lot of it, too, is if you can make a chicken breast. He's great. That's not already chicken. I love chicken. Are you chicken all the time? It's just I'm also a robot. I can eat the same food for the most part. Have a couple cheap meals a week, and I'm fine during a show like I eat the same meals every single day. I don't know. Maybe change up is the order of the males, but it's the same every single day. So I'm lucky that way and I don't drink. I haven't drink in almost 23 years, so I don't have to battle at other temptation. Yeah, I think as within the last. I want to say 10 for sure. 10 years with social media, with movies, with all this society definitely has gotten prettier. You know, the lot of people are getting into shape more than ever have. I think in the nineties is probably the same amount of push in terms of people starting to go to gyms. And there's also a lot of different types of Jim's. Now there's a lot of different outlets for people to get into competitive fields. You know, you've got MM. A Jiu Jitsu gyms all over the place. You've got CrossFit gyms all over the place. The hardcore Jim is the one that's dying now, the hard core Jim with the guys lifting £500 there. They're the ones that are endangered species

spk_1:   25:18
now, Yeah, the gold's gyms and yeah,

spk_0:   25:21
yeah, they're starting toe, See, their numbers go down, and it's just for bodybuilding. I think the numbers are dwindling because it's too hard if I can make money doing something else that I don't have. The work is hard. A lot of people to true that avenue.

spk_1:   25:34
What's the difference between bodybuilding and power lifting?

spk_0:   25:38
Powerlifting is Ah, I've only done a bit. I've experimented with it. I have quite a few buddies here in town who are nationally ranked in a couple one or two that were world ranked power lifters, and they're all about getting ah, huge, single, single lift. I don't know a whole lot about it. Like I say, I've dabbled a bit and lifted with them once a mom, but ah, the power lifting their their competition is just straight. What can you get off the ground? What can you get off your chest? What can you squat down and push back up? Do you don't It's not a beauty contest, so you don't really. You don't have to be lean. You don't have to be this, and some of them are in some of the mark. But they're just all about power. It's SOG demanding very demanding sport, because even if you physically can lift the weight, can you mentally lift it? Because there's a lot of mental preparation that goes into any of those lifts they do about dead lift, squat on the bench and any of those lifts. If you're not on your game, you can get injured hard. Pretty bad.

spk_1:   26:38
What's your routine look like?

spk_0:   26:40
Like the gym routine or just everyday,

spk_1:   26:43
like a gym routine? What's an average gym routine look like?

spk_0:   26:47
Lately, it's been my treadmill in my basement because the gyms are closed. But before all this quarantine came down, Mondays was chest day, so I train. But in our day, you know I do usually a chest and try sword had d'oh, usually four chest, three tries. You know anywhere from Ford. 3 to 4 sets, 8 to 12 sometimes 15 reps. Just depending on how much time I have. And you know what? What my body feels like. I don't really push. I don't push it like I used to, but I'm just trying to maintain No, I'm not trying to grow or not. There's just trying not to lose my muscle too quick. Took a long time to gain, and I don't want to

spk_1:   27:26
throw it all away

spk_0:   27:28
with the rest of the week. Is just I do a body part of days chest and tries on Monday. Quads on Tuesday, back and buys on Wednesday. Delts hams on Thursday and then just arms light arm day on Friday, and that's just to try and get everything in once a week. That's the difference. Do is. Before I used to train, I would select the body part safe. For example, Chest have a train chest full day on Monday and then went at it, an exercise in on Thursday and amount of what that body part was just to keep that muscle full and hopefully get it to. If it's a legging body part, you can get it to catch up. Hopefully, that's the idea. And now I'm just trying to maintain what I got. Try not to lose it. Try not to get too

spk_1:   28:06
soft. Any tips for people that want to take it to the next level? They want to get from just working out. They want to get into amateur professional body building.

spk_0:   28:17
I would just say Get yourself a trainer who's who's accomplished, someone who's done a few shows, even if they don't necessarily have to have gotten on stage. But as long as they have trained a few people for competition and the results have been positive and the people are happy with it, there's lots of people out there who talk. I know this, I know that I know that and they end up just taking your money and not really doing a whole lot for you. So I would say Get somebody who's got a good clientele beast and their clients have done reasonably well. That'd be my biggest suggestion and then when you do you decide what you're gonna do with with your body. The way I've always done it is I put my whole 20 weeks into that person's hands and I say, If I don't look good at your fault, I'm gonna do anything you say. I want to do it healthy A CZ I can and I I'm trusting you. You have to have trust in that person, and if you don't look good, come the day of the show, you have someone to say, What did we do? What did you do? That's how it has to be If I follow a diet you gave me and I don't look good, it's not my fault. I have not straight from the diet. I've not strange from the game plan and at an amateur level you could get away with is some inexperience. I guess you could get away with somebody who's not, is knowledgeable or, you know they're learning their learning with you. But, like for professional or, you know, guys who are wanting to go pro, your diet should not be handed to you in a 16 week spreadsheets, saying this week, you're going to do this this week. You're going to do that because everybody's different. There's not a generic diet that works. What works for me does not work for you. My buddy Greg, my buddy Chet. They can get away with a lot more carbs, and I can. They seem to burn, Wait quicker. And me, I takes a little bit longer to chisel off, but in that I don't throw away a lot of muscle. You could get away with that in that inexperienced. But when you're trying to move on and you're going to nationals or you're going to do the bigger shows, you need to have somebody who can look at you every week and say, Okay, we're gonna lose this. We're gonna drop that. We're gonna up this. They have to know what they're doing. And if all they're worried about is their first payment or their down payment, you're probably just dealing with somebody who's gonna give you a generic diet they found online. That happens a lot. You have to kind of research this stuff because you don't want to just go with somebody who's going to give you something you confined. If you could go in bodybuilding dot com and find a diet, why am I paying you 1500 bucks or whatever a diet costs nowadays. I don't wanna have somebody who can understands the different types of body types understands help. People lose weight and they can do the calculations themselves. That's what I'm paying for, Levy mind. Just make sure they've had some success. Make sure their clients have looked good. Change their bodies. That's all it is. It's

spk_1:   31:07
just changing a body. Any plans to compete again? Never. But I

spk_0:   31:14
say that every show on the Dominic cash IQ of bodybuilding I retire after every single show. No, I don't have any goals. Thio That way the last show I did, I only did it because I was kind of in a bad place mentally, you know, I was a bit depressed and I was having trouble getting getting off my ice. And I was just in a bad place and I was laying in bed one morning and I was thinking back, What can I do here? You know, I need I need I need something and it just hit me. Do a show. It'll take my mind off whatever I'm bothered by or, you know, I can just concentrate on something else and that morning, I felt way better called up. Buddy spoke with him a bit about it and he said, Yeah, sure, we can work. So then I started. I don't even know what I wait. I want to say it was about £215. 210. So I started eating. I started bulking up and I think I bulked up to about 2 35 then 20 or 22 weeks ot kind of put me on us on a cleanup schedule and I started cleaning up and I went down. I believe about 2 to 21. My numbers might be a bit off. It's been a few years, but I was too 21. I think it was about 16 or 18 weeks. So somewhere in there and and he said, Okay, now we're gonna go. And that was when we started the hard core diet and And yeah, no matter what your weight is, if if you got any body fat on you, the moment you change anything, you're gonna lose a lot of weight. It just the way it is for me. I lose anywhere that first week of from £250. I'll lose £8 at first week. Easy. It just seems to melt off for the 1st 2 or three weeks. £8.6 pounds, £4 and then I lose typically pounds £2 a week. Just depends on what my body's doing. I always weigh in the exact same time. On Friday morning, I try and you know, uh, use the washroom. Then I jump on my scale so that it's it's always the same setup. I eat the same meal Thursday night at the end of the night, so it's about 11 o'clock at night. So I have that whole night. Use the washroom a few times and then in the morning used the washroom. Make sure you're completely empty, so you're getting an accurate wait, and it's always on the same tile on my bathroom floor. So, you know, and I'm superstitious. So maybe that's why, but that just allows me to say okay, so this week I lost to 2.52 point whatever 1.5, and it just gives me a more accurate reading. And then I'm ableto, you know, decide he's able to decide. Let him know the numbers. I and then I would go see him on Sunday mornings and he would have a look and I suppose, a bit and you'd say, OK, I'll do this This and this not that was perfect And that's Yeah, it's nice to be on a schedule like that. I work well when I want to schedule

spk_1:   33:58
very routine driven yet final question for you before we wrap up. Have you ever thought about being a trainer?

spk_0:   34:05
I'll help my buddies, but no, I would never help the average person. And it's not that I'm elite or anything like that or it's for the most part, people don't want to work. I'm not going to go out of my way and come up with a diet for you and come up with a workable plan and write you out routines and and do all this when you're gonna half ass it. And that's most people that I found. They come to you and they say I need to diet so you write up a diet. You see him there eating pizza bell that I write up a diet for them. For me, it's I can only go hard or go home. I could give you a diet. If you want to show it. I want it. Want it? Want to? Ah, follow it. That's fine. But if if I'm an actual trainer and my job is to get you into shape, most people don't want to. You know, when there's no, there's not enough money to make a living at it unless you're in bigger centers. And I don't know if I could take money from someone I know it was gonna half ass it It just doesn't work out for me. But I like I've helped you in the gym. I got no issue with helping people out. If I'm in the gym and you're in the gym and you want some advice here, you want some help or you know you'd like to know what to eat? I don't mind doing that, but as far as being just a trainer, no, I I got no interest in that. Just simply because if you didn't work as hard as I did when I did it, that would that would annoy me, it would it would. It's cheapens it. It cheapens the experience for me psychologically. The whole dad, the whole experience of ah of bodybuilding is is to challenge you. I want to win the show. I want to win my weight class. I'm gonna win best poser. But the whole thing is to look better in your last show. And I can only considered a success if I did everything that I'm supposed to do. You know, I can look back and say at that show I did everything that show. We could have done a bit more that last show, but I stayed out of my head. I probably had a bit more success, but that just happens for me. It's that it's that all that desired Thio do the best that I can do. That's the thing with Body building is you're competing against essentially your last show where yourself. But if you've done all that, you're hoping you get some success with bringing some hardware home and bring in some a trophy or something.

spk_1:   36:19
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