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March 10, 2020

Coffee Time with Trent Gillespie

Coffee Time with Trent Gillespie

In this Episode I interview a teacher, author and actor. Trent has self published ten books, all of which are available for purchase. He discusses and gives advice on writing and his other hobby which is theater. He can be found on @trentage on Twitter, Trent Gillespie Author on Facebook and trentgillespieauthor.net

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this episode's guest is Trent Gillespie. We talk about the publishing process for self publishing, his adult books, the underdog trope. Is it overused? Developing plot and plot devices, the popularity of crime dramas writing characters into shows and plays different plays. That trend has been in, and Trent also gives some advice on getting involved in theater and in the writing process.

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Guest today is Trent Gillespie. Trend is a teacher with the Correctional Service of Canada. He has a degree in education from the University of Alberta. He's involved in theater and is a writer who's published 10 books. His books are a mixture of science fiction and Children's books. Welcome trend. Thank you for coming on to the podcast today. We're having me Russell every time I hear 10 books and I kind of had to stop and really reflect on that because even now, like I know like I have them, it's still kind of surprising that I was able to do 10 books that some people came in right one, and I've gotten through 10. I'm not saying that it's easy. Yeah, it's gonna need to have 10 books out there. Did you self publish them. Yeah, I self published when I first started writing the very 1st 1 I was researching how to submit for publication through agencies, and I found it very frustrating the wide variety of expectations and different companies. Somewhere in a transcript, someone like a middle manuscript of it. Some wanted just an outline, some one of the full book. Some would mention that they would wouldn't even get back to me unless they wanted it. And it just became a bit of a nightmare trying see which places wanted watch. And so I was doing some research online and someone said, Why don't you try self publishing? So I tried self publishing through. I think it was lulu dot com originally and eventually found it quite pricey until someone mentioned create space through Amazon and I decided to go through them and have been singing with them ever since. Awesome. There's a lot of people these days that air using Amazon to publish their books. Do you think that's kind of the future publishing, given the exclusivity of things like Penguin and publish house in that I think so. I chosen mostly for financial reasons I didn't wasn't making a lot of money. When I first started publishing, I was in between teaching jobs on Dumb, and I did take a little bit of time to took time off off teaching to just right. I think I took like a year to do a bunch of writing and books and whatnot, and I found that it's the nature of the beast, as Muchas Amazon has is this huge conglomerate that's taken over the world. We hear all the bad things that Amazon does firstly, my stepping stone to getting it out there so far. I mean, I haven't done a lot of great sales, but it's a way for me to get my books out, get them published. I'm very proud of them. I know it has been a challenge I have submitted since publishing through Amazon to other companies and know that some publishing happens, and then I give you self published. You let us know and we'll check out your sales and whatnot. I think it it does give people a lot more freedom and opportunity to publish a lot of the independent companies when they self published are quite expensive, Amazons cheaper, and you can get to a lot more markets through it. One of my friends, who's ah, writer in the city here she actually published a series of books which were in the same vein, is like Sons of Anarchy, like biker storylines. And she published one in in the United Kingdom, and one of her friends promoted it in the United Kingdom, and she sold like thousands of copies. And I got a huge chunk of money that came in. And I mean, I'm not saying that she's retired from what she does, but she knows where that market goes, and you can find a lot of success in. Some kid's books have been selling quite good is everyone likes buying books for kids. But yeah, I think that for some people, self publishing, especially if you're beginning and you're struggling financially, may start off with Amazon because they do have a lot of options there. I know there are some people that are very critical about the way Amazon runs its business and how they market, and I know there's been some controversy in the past. I'm not involved with that controversy, and it's one of those things of out of sight out of mind, which can be a very negative way to look at it. But I I just stick with my own little realm and publish what I can promote one again. So give me a give me a synopsis. SciFi. What type of sci fi? Uh, very, uh, very much. Someone described it as if Star Wars crashed into Star Trek and was a little gritty. I wrote these very adult oriented violent science fiction stories about a space captain winds up in another galaxy. I've always been fascinated when I played video games off, starting somewhere new and trying to learn that new area. There's nothing wrong with Star Wars and Star Trek where there's a set universe, and here's a character who's grown up in the area. But I've always been fascinated with somebody who's just lost, and I gotta find their way ending in a buck, the system, and they're gonna say, Screw you on that, bowing down to you kind of deal. It's basically how they ship Captain ends up there, and as a person who grew up enjoying fantasy stories like with magic and stuff, hard to blend the two. But I kind of added in this mystical rings that have powers, and I've woven them into the storyline so that there's part of the stories about the adventure of these people fighting for freedom in the galaxy. Where is the main character while he's helping them? Is also on this quest to, like unite the rings and stop this mystical evil Every time he's torn between the two and then I get to come help me and he's like, No scream, I'm doing this And so it's I blend the two and I mixed the two in there and got four novels into it, and I'm about halfway through the 5th 1 right now, and it's bit of a writer's block. So I think I put a lot of the origins from when I first thought of the story when I was a kid into the fourth book. Gonna say like an emotionally ended with me there. But it was I ended with how the dream and because it was based on a dream I had when I was six, okay, and I ended the book that way, showing the end of the dream. And then in my mind, my mind was like, Oh, you're done now And I'm like, No, I'm not. I got to keep writing of all these other ideas. Life gets in the way and look at other stories. Pop into my head. Yeah, it originally started as a um when I was like, I think with six or seven years old I had a dream about saving a planet from these aliens and being the hero. And so I started right about me saving the planet. I'm a hero, and I thinks, thankfully, through my dad. He's like, You can't write a book called Friend, so I start to adapt it and set it in another galaxy and change the way it was and changing from a kid turning into an adult into being just an adult. It's morphed a lot since the generation that's out right now. I first wrote in Great 12 and I wrote it from Was 1995. Not until 2012 when they finally published it, I was stuck about halfway through, and I finally got a bit of a kick in the pants to finish it, and as soon as I finished and published it like the floodgates open and books 23 and four. They wanted me to take my mind, wanted me to get to the dream sequence where I was rescuing the planet where I wasn't like the another character. And it's kind of weird, though, because when I wrote it, you originally had myself is the main character, so I see some of me and the main character. But the main character in the fourth book isn't the one that rescues the planet and meets the princess. It's somebody else in the book, but I've been told by people who have read it. Are fans of my work that the attitude of this other character named Orphee in Who's in the Book is very much my sarcastic nature, like he'll bring up things. I remember writing the first book in trying to come up with a way to do faster than light travel. So I I sat down. I wrote it all out and I typed it up. And as soon as I typed it up, part of my back of my mind was like, What the fuck is that supposed to be? Oh, like you really believe that pseudo science and I actually wrote that into the book that another character, when you actually believe that pseudoscience bullshit. So I think that's me trying to keep a certain amount of levity in the writing so that, yeah, there's fantastical parts to it. There's also that part of like, Are you kidding me? Is this really happening? So the suspension of disbelief? Yeah, and I've always been a fan of the suspension of disbelief as long as there's certain logic around it, like I've always been. Ah, nowadays and movies and books and TV shows, that always has to be an explanation as to why Sometimes that's okay. A lot of the times it isn't because that's what made us dream. When we were younger, we watch those old movies. We didn't care why something happened in a science fiction. It just happened. Well, you look at Star Wars, for example. No one cares where the technology comes from. They just use the technology. Yeah, like I think that was the main critique when they first did the first Star Wars movie. Um, well, not the start. When they did the Star Wars prequel, they wanted to explain the force. And I was like, Don't That's why you like that. You They were just a power. People had a power. Vader had the dark side of the power. Look at the good side of the power. The emperor was controlling it all, and you just I loved it. I love the fact that somebody could control this power, but then they went to try to explain it. So when I wrote it in my wrote these powers in my book, I explain it to an extent right. There's a certain mysticism that nothing really needs to be fully explained. And sometimes there aren't always answers. Well, I look at the latest doctor who episode. We've got some friends of mine that air fanatics with doctor who and they were talking about how the latest episode. They explained all the the origin story of the doctor and everything. And some people were pretty upset about that because they said, like it's never been fully explained. And that's part of the mythos are the lore. Maybe that's why what's happened, like in regards to a lot of phantoms out there that we try to start to explain things and it creates division. No, we don't need to know exactly where you see your doctor who came from. You can have some of his history and you know about his issue with the Daleks and whatever and Howie regenerates and stuff like that. And there's a lot of shows that do that. A lot of books that do that. But then sometimes, if you explain too much, then it kind of takes away the excitement. Yeah, the magic's gone. Yeah, and the old saying is that we used to believe in magic. What happened to all the magic, What We wanted to explain it. And I think that's probably another problem that we have a special lot of books out there is often need to explain it, right? There's a couple of Stephen King books I've read recently. All right, The outsider. It's not a TV show. I love Stephen King's writing. I like how sometimes he doesn't explain why things are the way they are. And I never read the reviews, Yes, but every once in a while I like to read them to see where people come from, what their line of thought and some people like. He didn't explain why this happened, and I'm like didn't matter. Doesn't matter. Like they never really explained where the ends Outsider King from it. They had theories like it's based on this legend in that legend, that legend. So they gave me a basis. It didn't fit it like a nice puzzle piece, but it still didn't ruin the ending of the movie or the TV show. Sorry, the book when it explained how they stopped the outsider, how they dealt with it, because it was definitely different than the legend, as he wrote in it. And I think that's important with writers is that you can come from a certain basis if your world building if your legend building. If you're mythos building, we have to realize that everything is adaptable over the years, right? That's why certain stories were, and that's why you have certain for me. Some of the funnier books are the ones where the explanation is ridiculous, such as like The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The infinite improbability drive to me is the best thing that's ever been written rich. This happens and we're here, you know, I can't think I would love to have that type of ingenious creativity with it Yeah, that's how I've been right in the books. And, uh, I get inspired by a lot of TV shows and movies, and I know that writing the science fiction stopped. I think we were home one day for the weekend and my girls on the watch Cuba, when the two strings started like it because it reminded me of legal final fantasy games and these stock characters and whatever. And then I instantly got this idea for a story, and within about a month I wrote the elements of Brie. Now I'm developing the elements of Bree World. Based on that, it all it takes is one little imagery, right? So if you've seen the movie, there's like a monkey in it that is like a ninja. I always had this idea. That's kind of funny that there's this monkey that's a ninja silly. What if there wasn't something that my creativity circling? What if it was like a a teddy bear? So I just start going on with that and that helped build this world of that Bree runs into for my That's my youth adventure novel that I wrote. Then I started connecting other stories I had the world building comes from a lot of it, just the inspiration that comes from watching TV and movies and seeing what what other people enjoy. My kids enjoy what I enjoy, all right, Appreciate a good idea you, and if it's poorly executed, all looking at an idea and be like I can improve on that. But the eagle of it right here I can improve on what you've written. So talking about tropes there seems to be a trope that's time tested. Timeworn works really well as the trope about the character. Maybe they're a little naive. Maybe they generally they're a little bit younger, and they have to take on a force that's greater than them. More powerful, usually their sinister a way mentioned Star Wars earlier. You know, this small rebellion has to take on this great empire, and you're made to believe that the Empire is bad and terrible, and you see there's a bad care to doing bad things. And, you know, it was interesting. A few years ago, I read an article on it was about trying to explain how the empire was right. Unite the Galaxie, trying to, you know, sure, they need the Arthur the authoritarian rule because the galaxy is so vast and there's so much in there and there's the odor rim and there's all these different areas, so they're trying to bring order to Ah, chaos. Yeah, the rebellion is the opposite, but it seems to be a very time tested trope where there's video games and movies. And what do you think attracts people to that trope? I think it's the idea that it's the little guy versus the big guy David and Goliath and Goliath. We're going with the biblical sense. You can see it in regards to the way that people handle politics. Business is out there. You know, the little guy, the moment pop shops versus Amazon. And so it's this idea that you can overcome a great force, right? And it could be as on the nose as something like again David Goliath, other Amazon and Mom pop shops. Or it could be you hear the story of somebody who's afflicted by a disease or something like that, right? And so it's his journey of overcoming an obstacle. I agree. The truck, it's overused. I mean, that's what we leave So like those stories. They're still popular stories. We read them all the time. Do you read about, like the hunger games, the rising up against the the elite and the whole social studies curriculum with that one? What I tried to do with my story, even though there's definitely an element of that, as I try to make sure that they're not the characters are not naive. That's always bothered me like I mean, yeah, Luke Skywalker is a hero character, right? We always starts out like

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go to caution station, right? He always had those like he was whiny and they became the hero, like elements of Brie Brief ELT Lawson, who she waas. And then someone like This is who you are. And so she just start testing out her abilities and it worked and show, You know, I like to play with the idea of arrogance. All right, so some like nothing that briefly the arrogant in my story because it's baseball, my kids to read where I don't wantto see the angst of adult hood right now, but main character in Galactic Odyssey. I remember when I first wrote it in high school, I had a teacher who said to me, You know, they have toe raise the stakes when you're ready, like make it Something important happened. And so you know, the originally I did it was that this character ran into a bunch of aliens, rescued someone and was garnished the hero. It was like that seems weak sauce. So I had him in the storyline get taken in onto this garbage scow. Basically just killed the captain, gets shot in the face and act maniacal. And the teacher was like, You can't do that. I'm like I'm going to. Then I like to write myself into what I call it, riding myself into a corner where I give myself a scenario that challenges me and I gotta figure out how to get around it, and that allows me to be more creative. I did run into a slightly personal issue, will personally show up slightly. I created too much of a challenge with that one because I made it this character act very negatively in the first book, and that continued on, and I was like, No one really wants to watch a negative character. All the time gets gets very monotonous as fun as they are, the guy's gotta have somebody. That's a story line. That's a new theater. You gotta have a growth right. So I had to alter what happened to that character. By the second book, About third book said he became the the hero, still kind of arrogant, but he loses some of that part of him and explain how in the books with aliens and psychokinetic powers and stuff like that. But I definitely try to make the characters faulty, not naive, like, Oh, I'm innocent to the world Know they have gone through shit life. They're horrible people, right? One of them's alcohol, And so what? I want to play with this idea of bad. These people can do bad things, but they can still be heroic because that's how I grew up reading, watching Star Wars. Watching all these adventures and reading these books is because they eventually have overcome something. It's more just a personal, interesting like I wish I could write something with more character building, such as you see in movies like Parasite and stuff like that. I would like I'd love to feel the right suddenly that, but that's not where my passion, my go to us, I definitely I agree with you that the trope has been It can't be overused and done done wrong. It's a really terrible book and terrible movie or TV show, which uses what gives me my inspiration. There's been a big increase I find in the use of that triple barrel, and it's led to lots of people that I know of saying things like, Oh, well, there's no new concepts for movies. We've done it all and now we're redoing movies and there's nowhere else we can go And then you get a studio likey. 24. That comes out and they just start putting these movies that you just realize No, there is still original stories. They just need to take in new directions, and they need to challenge people. We've gotten so used to these timeworn tropes. He's time worn in books and movies and everything, and it's good to see uniqueness. It's good to see vulnerability, and that's I. I remember one of the things I wrote in Ah, I think that's been my second look on my third book it before. It's our working. It's Aspen. I actually wrote one of the books, has a prison scene with the character breaks out of prison. There's like a riot and stuff like that, an alien prison and stuff like that. But the I remember when I wrote it again, I just usually right by the seat of my pants, and I planned ideas. But I just right and see what comes out of my head. And when the main character in the third book is getting rescued out of the jail, we used to grow up being like, you know, the hero swoops in and rescues the fair maiden. The little things I liked about Star Wars is that yeah, the hero came in late. I could hold her own. You're still rescuing her. But she was like, Fuck you. I could do my own thing. That's why I loved Princess Leia. And so when I wrote, I want to switch that around. I wanted him to be in trouble and be rescued by the female lead. Now there's others that helped out as well, so everyone's helping to rescue him, and when he finally meets her, he breaks something, cries and collapses because he's exhausted, Mel nourishing everything and I wrote that I was like That was a change for me because I always grew up me and like, you know, the woman cries in the arms of the hero. He cried and collapsed and he was weak and he had to be held by someone right. Andi felt comfortable doing it that way. It was a change for me because I wanted to be. And I've definitely done that in my books is that I never wanted to be like him, always rescuing her. Hurley. It's a mix, so they rescue each other to rescue their friends. That is never just one person always rescuing someone else. They'll help the little people. You know. These poor people are being destroyed by bad. Guys will go rescue. But in regards to themselves, sometimes a rescue, the sometimes they rescue themselves. Which is important on Lianna, who's the main female leading Siri's. I definitely wrote her to be someone who it doesn't matter how she's rescued. She could be rescued by her friends degree rescued by the male nature and rescue herself, taking out taking the tropes. Looking at them differently, I think is important and I do agree with you took what was a stupid a 24 years. I like when they like. I like new ideas. And that's something that I think you and I have talked about in the past is that my argument with books and stories and TV shows is that people complain there's no new ideas, so they give him a new idea. And people are like, I don't like that It's not the old lady. You don't like this change like this change, you know, like everyone complained about the new Star Wars trilogy, right? Like they started doing things they released, the force awakens, and everyone was like, It's too much like the original. So they did the last dead eye. That's two different. I hate it. So then they did. You know, the rise of Skywalker. We're like, I don't know what that was, all right? He wrapped it up, I guess. But none of those things of you take a risk. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. I know that is actually interesting about that up, because that supper times when we were talking with my kids about the show, Riverdale, I don't want to watch it because I'm nostalgic for article. Yeah, uh, I don't I've seen some of the reviews. I've seen some of the scenes and watch some clips, and I'm like, This doesn't interest me at all. That's not how I see Archie. But then again, that's somebody's new take on it, right? And so that's the conundrum in my mind. That's me being that person like I like them a soldier. What Archie is on the other side of me is like, What could it be neat to see it in a darker since, like, where do I want to go? And then again, that goes a personal taste, right? And then snap flicks, too. So, you know, they got to take it over the top. Exactly. And so that's one like I enjoy a show that or writing that approaches you like one of my one of my fellow authors conceived of his books of their the demon shit skin, he wrote. A Siri's first was called The Rise of a Enemies of the Empire of Ashes. Kingdom come I enjoy how his follow a very you expect it to go. In a sign of science fiction, you ruined. He does follow it, and it's a comfortable feeling and he throws in things. You're like Hole, and that's what these independent writers do, right? If I give you a plug out is read. Independent writers read people who are not big publishers like it's okay to read Stephen King, James batters and all those people. But try someone new has a new idea because sometimes I'll throw it in a way. They're like, Oh, that's not what I was expecting. It's not mainstream. It's a little bit of their Not every independent work is perfect, but a lot of independent work is quite amazing. I have a friend writes these horror thrillers Lauren Oliver. He's out of ST Louis and he rates these leaves murder mysteries that air, ah, seven p I and deal with like the RCMP investigating the one that the first time I read his book, I was always said in mind What I've seen in cop TV shows right that everywhere they go to, they find a clue that leads to the killer and they solve it. In his book. They go to an area, and sometimes there's all the red herring. Yeah, it's not even a red herring. It's just like, Oh, somebody saw this. So they go there. Oh, it's a dead end, just like real life Exactly. And I mean but they also throws in the things that you would expect in TV shows. In those books where there is some you the killer gets away with another violent crime and you go to investigate it. And so you're drawn in that way. But then there's aspects of it. Work follows reality and those where I like where you don't you expect it to go one way that doesn't and you're like, That's the new Well, it's interesting, You know, the talking about that. There's There seems to be a renewed interest in books and TV shows about serial killers, violent crime and the this who done it. You know, they had that one on Netflix about that guy, where that whole season, they could have packed into an hour if they really wanted to. Yeah, about a guy and it's Did he really commit the crime? Did he not commit the crime? And I know it's that that's really kind of gained some traction back again. Stuff about serial killers they had that was that show we were talking about before word that that guy who played Charles Manson and he did like a bang on job. Yes. So they put him on mine. Hunter? Yeah, mine hunter. Yeah, but they're they're kind of falling chronologically, a little bit, but they're also kind of creating their own universe to using the archetypes of different serial killers back from the eighties and early nineties, and that my only complaint about mine hunter is that I watched it too quickly. It was I enjoyed the pace of it. I enjoyed the fact that sometimes in an episode it was all just research. That's what they did. And their course. The casting of some of the characters was phenomenal. We said, Charles Manson and Ed Kemper and whatever, and I agree with you that there's this new surgeon. So the resurgence of this serial killer TV shows I mean, like, I have a couple of books on serial killers up there. But, you know, I've watched a few of them, and I'm like, I don't get that. I mean, I noticed, like, I think the psychology behind it is impressive. I mean, the investigation. If I really want to sit down watching a good but the psychology of what I'm behind. I think that's where my fascination comes in, because I was always a person who enjoy the psychology of any behavior. Could have gone into sociology and university, but I didn't. I stuck with with teaching and teaching math and whatnot, but I've never understood that fascinating. Tell me different TV shows on Netflix and whenever and and a lot of people that are obsessed with them, and they're like, Oh, my gosh, you need to watch this And like I watched a didn't read that. What's the Ted Bundy tapes? But I watched the one, the TV, the movie that they did with Zac Efron. Oh my God, I find it boring. Like, did he fit the look of him? Sure, he was a handsome man. He was charming. Um, the one thing that did find impressive, though, is that I did watch a clip where they in the interview where the Zac Efron was playing him. But the cadence said he did. He was actually charming, and I'm like, Yeah, he's probably overacting Ted Bundy. Then I watched Ted Bundy do the interview like No, he was actually under acting. Think the Ted Bundy was pretty crazy and it was just fascinating to watch that, Um, yeah, yes, that's so my training with CSC is toe. You hear how the there's manipulators and stuff like that and just see how that works in the criminal mind. And so I It's also cause I work a institution on the as interested in that been fascinated by having a mighty interesting. You know, I don't watch person shows on TV. Yeah, that's always been ironic and that when you you hear means and guards and that they're watching the 24 hour lockup show and on the downtime or a midnight shift or something like that, there they are working in that It's a little low. Ironic. Yeah, it is interesting. I've talked with my wife about this. Um, she works at the hospital. We're going to prison. We won't. We don't like watching. True to life shows behind bars, world's deadliest prisons or whatever, she doesn't like watching real tales of the E. R. She'll watch stylized. She'll watch the show we are for she watches Grey's Anatomy. But I mean, that's that's when she started watching when she was like rest, feeding her kids like I won't watch Real life prison shows. I watch Wentworth mostly, and most of the time it's for the characters. And that's Mia's A. With my acting with my writing. I like seeing all characters have developed because half the time what makes the show what makes the show enjoyable? The plot gets stuck with the characters are amazing. You know, I always talk about the show. Lost Lost went off the rails after season for him. My opinion, and it just went weird. But I kept watching it because I like the characters. Some of the actors were just phenomenal, And I mean, by the end of it, pulling my hair out of my head with the plot lines like you guys don't know what you're going. But I love watching Michael Emerson play Ben. I love watching Um, the guy lied. Sawyer love watching these actors take these characters and just, like, chew the scene up with them. And I'm like, Oh, I don't care what the plot is anywhere. I just want to watch you act all the time. Now do you find being involved in theater. Does that make it harder to watch television shows, especially the more campy ones? I'm thinking like Xena, Warrior Princess, the Flash Show or even even that witch your show. You know, it was good, but it kind of was almost a throwback to the nineties. Hercules and Sinbad and stuff. There's some sometimes on a watch, and I see a line delivered and I just cringe. Given example. The other night we watched, um, a dog's journey and it's very sappy show. And it was like watching kids actors. I'm always amazed at. Some of these kids have some pretty damn good acting jobs, right? But there was a scene to the end where the lead female finally realized that she does really terrible the mail that she's been grown up with his friends. And so it's like, Oh, I actually loved you right? And we knew that was coming. It was like a plot. You could you could see the ending coming from a mile away, she said. You know, whatever she said to him, and he's like, Could that be Riel? And I sat there, just cringed at the way he delivered. I like that could be delivered so much better. He had better lines. So the whole playing like the whole movie, you know, he did a good job playing the cancer patient earlier on in the show and some shows and you watch them act. Sometimes you're like, uh, you know, like, you know, the classic tale is always a William Shatner doing the Star Trek and hope how much he overacted those lines. But there's as much as he overacted them. There's a arrogance in his character, which made Kirk. They like watching Kirk, right? William Shatner overacted and handed up and whatever. But there's an arrogance to him that you're like like that's different from what you expected. Is it supposed to be like a show about you Consider like a futuristic military captain's? Supposed to be in charge was the lead, and Kirk had an arrogance to many mean they captured that when very well, in the remakes that they did with Chris Pine playing the character Well, even in that blocking your episode, when the when they had that one actor and he's playing Ah yeah, Captain Kirk, well, a spinoff have to encourage him when he's in the show he talks suddenly. He's a very, very formal, Very, you know, I'm in charge start attitude. But when he talks in real life, he's kind of dweeby. Yeah, that guy's a great doctor to see him in a lot of shows in the one of the few underrated actors that are out there. And so when you see that I enjoy watching characters develop in a lake, you know, you start like watching villainous characters, especially characters that are supposed to written to be over the top. How far can a doctor push it? Example is the walking dead right now is that they have too villainous characters right now. Negan and Alfa, their horrific characters in the graphic novels Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Samantha Morton are just amazing in those rules, and they're overdoing, and they they seem like they seem cartoonish when they're doing it. But they have to be because of how horrific they are. Other characters in the show You could be like some characters you kind of go along with, but the villainous characters you have way more fun with. And so you know, the villain's character having my books. I've played villainous type characters and plays and stuff like that. They're way more fun because you can. You can go as far as you can. And of course, the direct will pull you back. Okay, that's too far, which is good because you want to push the limits of the character. And so when you get certain shows with the characters air Evil, but they're just you wish they could go a little bit farther. That disappoints me. I can't think of a way off the top of my head that does that, but there's been a few of the past have been like, Oh, the car ticket and so much more. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but I definitely agree. There's movies and even plays. You know, I saw please, and I was when I was younger, and sometimes you just you just wish they go the extra step when we fear Musical is Fiddler on the Roof. I've seen, like, four or five times when I was in, that meant it was the first time I saw him. I fell in love with it and I knew half the casket. I'd acted with him before so slightly biased that I knew what she reached person could bring to it. And there was an actor who I worked with, who played, You know, if you know the story. Fiddler on the Roof. He played the Russian commander in the city who warned via that the Russians were coming and they had to get out right. They respected each other, but they were antagonistic towards each other. And in the end he had to do his job because that's what that's what those are wanted. And he came in and anyone caught in the wrong way will be killed. Gonna d'oh! And the actor who played him the first time I acted with him. He always play this kind of like almost a caricature of like a weak, sniveling lawyer who was really confident, very well. And then I saw him in this role as this, like Russian commander and there is a line. It was just a game and fathom. Just TV I can hear his voice in my head to this day was that he had argued with heavy on stage, and he's supposed to turn around and say, three days, you have three days and he turned around and he yelled it in a way that was like, You're yelling at someone you care about just to get it for their fucking head. And he said Three days and I've seen the plate on so many other times, and they've never hit it. And I was like, You could go so much farther with that character and he just turned around your screen. But I was, like, three days to go for this fucking town. That was that was the subtext of the line. Like it three days out this fucking town. I'm done talking to you. Listen to me. If I come back, I will kill you, as my Russian commander tells me to do right. And every time I've seen it done now, they played a good character. But they've never have disturbance at three days and walk off like no

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character demands for it. Right? So sometimes I watch a play, and if I know the play well enough, I get all banks deal the ground. It's So how many places have you been in? No, I'd say close to 100. Wow. Variety. Little plays over over all my life started when I was like, um Great 600 played Thibaut in a hip hop version, Elementary School of Romeo and Juliet. Pretty crazy. I've acted ever since. And the most recent play I was, which were taken a festival in April, his four old broads on the high seas and I play this 92 year old man named Horace Bumpus, and I'm on the cruise with my wife and we argue Locker, she's deaf. Or maybe she's deaf. We always talked about whether she really, definitely. Maybe she just acts like he's just, I mean going Mo Amum, crotchety old man. And before that, I was in Mamma Mia last summer, where he played Father Alexandros. And, uh, you have done quite a few plays over the years and directed a few of them and had been quite the variety of played just secondary funny characters of I was in the play wit, which is about a woman who's going through Stage four cancer, and I played one of the very cold, not caring doctors Jason positive and end of Devon's listening to this tree house, probably shaking assistant at the speaker right now, Um, I enjoyed that character, but I also bothered me a lot because I had to treat this care. It was such a different oh, divergent from who I am. Like I remember after the show just being so upset with myself. They treated her so badly, but I my first time being as darkened on carrying as I have that I could be as a character. So what would be some advice you give to people that air getting in tow place like auditioning or actor? Just watching just in general, watching Armand issue ending any any of the stuff for watching Blaze? Definitely go see Community Theater and then start building up from there. Taken some means mainstream. Start off with the popular ones. If you're not in tow, plays the ones that you know we'll be fine. Like Mamma Mia is just a fun play. No Phantom of the Opera is a popular musical taming the Suri's misogynistic. Yeah, you have to go now. If you don't do Shakespeare, you do like Hamlet or Macbeth or something like that. One is start with the popular ones. You get used to what it's like and then start trying the ones that are on the fringes of it. I've never heard of for a bronze on the old. Never heard of the 1st 1 either, until a new Odyssey was doing it. I know that Spark has done a whole bunch of shows. I was in Calendar Girls. I can do the story of it. And if you're going to be a start with the community theater and plays, it would be popular enough. Volunteer with him. See what happened. Maybe just be like a person who takes tickets door right, because often what you done taking tickets, you can sit in the back of the theater and watch them. And for auditioning, ironically, one of the best places to audition for a lot of theater. Me and our baby sing, too, but you can sing like you can audition for musicals because you have a big chorus seaman of the main character. We could make a backup character, and you could be one of the people that to sings and dances on stage. There's another theater group runs. I know that some theater groups will have a very active course. No mamma mia, each chorus member had a character chair that we had to come kind of come up with and suggests about the director. You know, that's part of the Villagers kind of deal at some points well with Villagers. What kind of personality that we have and for regular plays, just go out and try to audition, even if you don't get apart just to see what it's like most local theater, especially here in Prince Albert. They're called. They're cold, reads where you walk into very casual. They give you a script, you just stand up and you read the script in the scene. You they'll tell you the scene's about so you have an idea of what your character's like. Then you could just try it if they offer courses on acting, taking some acting courses, just going on experiencing it. I know there's a few actors who are in the show and that now they think they came to like six or seven different shows over the years before they actually auditioned another tradition. You know, we hooked them in that Aaron very good. Now they got the theater, the acting bug, and they like it and some shows about another some shows they're challenging. Always find something good with a show that you're in. And I mean, this is a smaller role for me, which is good this year. So any advice for writers? Anyone that wants to write a book, Children's book or SciFi? I'll give the advice there that Stephen King actually gave when I was trying. He wrote a book called On Writing, which I think is one of those things were gonna be a writer re brother, people wrote, and he actually says, Read a lot, see how other people are writing in that genre. I read a lot of kids books I rode. The just recently finished the 13th book in the Wings of Fire, Siri's by Shuichi Sutherland, a Australian writer who wrote about this world of dragons. And that's one of my kids read. And it's very Harry Potter level of understanding of storyline. Violence plot. You read the Harry Potter series of Red Hunger games and stuff, so that whole genre help me right also inspire me for Ellen Sauerbrey, the science fiction I just wrote science fiction that I started, I said, watching science fiction, they enjoy the science fiction that was gritty like event horizon, nearly aliens. Aliens. Which, in my opinion, is has the perfect female character. Absolutely, You know, she used strong. She's also vulnerable. Maternal Maternal is a benevolent mother. Yeah, figure I watched the director's cut where it shows the fact that you know, she meets her granddaughter that she missed, that she didn't get to see her daughter drop. And she sat there and wheat or the fact that she's no longer a mother. And you hear people say, Oh, in these blaze, all these women just want to get married and have kids, right? Well, that's the Shakespearean, the comedy, right? Yeah. And so you see that? And you see this Ripley, who worked on everything and tried to build for her family and then she's alone and then she accept, became eternal, right? There's a very lot of symbology and that one with the alien queen and get get your hands off her, you bitch. Kind of deal in 11 Little perfect science fiction ones out there. But, um, reading and watching of the genre helps you. I know some of my inspiration for got to got to see Siri's came from playing a space quest video games from the computer. So there's definitely illusions to it, and there is paying homage to storylines that I enjoy. His Campi is they were like, I wanna pay homage to them I think one of the first ah, inspirations, ironically, for the science fiction when came from the shaggy dog. Uh, I think was the one in the seventies early eighties in which it was a very poorly done remake for The Wonderful World of Disney on Sunday night, in which the character got a ring that turned him into the dog. And so that inspired me to a ring that gave him magical powers. There's a mystical ring in my book, right? And also just right. It's a heart, and that's hard advice to say. Write something, Write anything down. Go if you're struggling. Order Writer's workshops me with other writers for kids stuff. I found the kid's books. Little challenging is the first few kids Books I wrote were very so much for early readers because of one of my kids doing drama books, because my kids like I read your science fiction like, No, there's a lot of sex and violence in my book and I'm not really comfortable. Some 16 year old when I rode him or kid oriented and silly doesn't like silly stuff. And then, ah, look for inspiration. Don't forget to drop down ideas. One of my best selling books is like The Tooth Fairy got sick, and that was inspired by taking my kid and her friend toe a sporting event, and they were talking about losing their teeth. And they talk about silly things you can get from the tooth fairy. One of them said, What if you got a pickle like who your bed would stink and that inspired we could Tooth Fairy got sick, and it's one of my best selling books out there, but by dental offices and stuff like that, because it's not against dentists, and that was some of them were like, We want to read your book, but make sure it doesn't say bad dentists or bad It's not that is her bad. Just think that the tooth fairy got sick and they went out to help him, and it was, don't be scared to write an idea down. They could make a fucking six movies on the goddamn Shark Hurricane Tornado. Your story's gonna be funny and, you know, take a risk. Write it, then. If it doesn't work out, doesn't work out. You could say you've done it right. Get immediately. And we done with this podcast here? Yeah. You know, if if you don't, If you don't try, then you don't know exactly. You know, I've tried many things where I'm in legal. This definitely isn't free. No, I I remember. I remember somebody actually saying Anyone ever published my first book? I published my first book and they said, Well, it seems like everyone's a writer. I'm like I helped him. Is it are you that was a bit arrogant of me, but well, it's kind of arrogant statement to make, but that's how people are. Um, And you goto I got a local comic con. You're not necessarily gonna find always science fiction writers, you know, my friend Yvonne. You're Kowski. She right? She's written one science fiction book, and all our other books are murder mysteries. And she sells quite well with the comic cons. And then there's people that write fantasy adventure. And there's some people, right dart, NCAA fix stuff. But you go there and you meet these other authors in the talk to them. Network. No. Fine people get support that way. I'm very happy with the network of writers that I met over the years, and when I went to my first comic con, I was setting up in the booth next to me. The lady was setting up there and she's putting books out and I said,

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you're a writer as well When she's actually my husband is said Oh, and ah, she puts out a book and I look at it and it's the name Marty Chan And I said, Marty Chen, is that Marty Chan like you were? The play's just again, like he's from Edmonton. Usually, yes, and I said, I love display Mom, Dad, I'm living with a white girl, you know, because he wrote it and it was like a great show. And she looks up shows on the white girl on Guy was like it was weird because he's become quite a great colleague of mine. I phone Facebook and Twitter and everything, and, um, he's been very supportive, support his work. He supports mine. And, ah, it was where the very first time I met him. I said, I'm gonna Fanboy this weekend. I'm sorry, because I loved your play. And I love your work. Actually have a copy of this. Ah, of his play. Mom down living with a white girl. He actually said, Beware of the yellow cloth, which is a character in the So it's gonna need to meet someone who inspired. I've gotten to know a few authors out there that have inspired me and the late Daniel Quinn. I wrote him one time asking for advice, and I was being very naive at the time. I was like, You know, I want to use this idea, which is kind of something that you wrote about What do you think? And he actually came back and was he wasn't He basically said, No, don't use my idea, which is respectable. But he said it in a way that was encouraging. And he gave me inspiration. Right? And he and I became We would email each other every once in a while, then mean he past couple years ago, which is quite heartbreaking, but it was need that he actually he didn't slough me off. He said No, I want chicken with your own idea. What can you do it after? And he gave me ideas about how to get creative, and it was the best advice I've ever had. And I'm very lucky that I was able to talk with him about it. And so I mean, if you're writing and you know somebody who's a writer, get to know them, follow their advice. Perfect. You plugged quite a few people Cast? Yes. Well, here's your chance. Now throw some plugs up for your own stuff. Well, my galactic odyssey, Siri's is and, uh, the elements Obree on dhe. The tooth fairy got sick and the pictures are broken. Siri's all available on Amazon, and you can also contact me. I'm on Twitter at Trent Ege on Twitter. You gonna find Trent Gillespie, author on Facebook, and you can communicate with me that way. I usually do some comic cons and local trade shows, and ah, all my books are for sale, and I also have e books as well. So if you're one of those e readers and wanna have it that way, they're also available that way. Have anyone then been translated? Yes, actually, the, uh the week the Tooth Fairy got sick was and a few of the pictures they're gone have been translated into French. And I had a a lady named Amy, says Zara. Translate the truth very got sick into Spanish for when I did a Mexico Mission strip I brought down. So some of the kids down there and I do have Alan in Spanish. I do not have that one. No, the other ones are in Spanish. It's funny you mention all the translation. The the My Book Is Broken is the second of the pictures. They're gone. Siri's for fun. I wanted to translate that one using Google translate just to make it even sound more broken. And so when I put it in there, there's a line in the book that says, Welcome to this poorly drawn ocean, which is part of the plot that I I draw. Basically think Microsoft painters. And so when I put it into Google, translate, translate into French and then turn back to English, it said, Welcome to this ocean of evil malcontent. I thought, that's a way better than that one. I'm eventually gonna translate in everybody who speaks French right now is probably cringing. No, no, no. Just get someone who speaks French. I know That's the point of my book is broken, broken so badly. Even the translation is terrible. That's awesome. Going a little meda there s so I definitely want to do it that way. And then, um I don't know if I'll do the rise of the French Fry Army translated or not, because that one was a bit of a different one. Awesome. Well, I want to thank you very much for coming on to the podcast today. We talked about a lot of great stuff, and I definitely hope we'll have you back on the podcast in the future, for sure. Anytime. I hope you enjoy this episode. If you like to support this podcast, you can do so by following the podcast on social media sharing and talking about it on your own show. The links to the social media can be found in the description, or you can enter coffee breath conversations on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube. Thank you for listening. I hope to continue to deliver meaningful conversations