Dec. 16, 2022

What is Grooming Behavior?

What is Grooming Behavior?

Jon Uhler is a 25+ year Clinical Trauma Professional and Sex Offender Treatment professional. He is also certified in the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R). He has worked with men in Prison. He founded SurvivorSupport.net & ChurchProtect.org. He has been very active on twitter with his views on grooming behavior, particularly regarding fetish behaviors. He joins me on the show to discuss what grooming behavior is, his work treating sex offenders and how he helps victims.

Transcript

Coffee Breath Conversations:

Hey, everyone, welcome back to the show. And I want to thank everyone that's been listening to the show. This is episode 50. And quite possibly the longest episode that I've recorded yet. This episode is over two hours long. But my guest and I get into some really, really critical details about this subject that I think you'll find fascinating and interesting. Another note, I want to mention that I'm going to be rebranding my podcast very soon, my new name for my show is going to be called The Canadian Conservative, nothing else will change, except for the name of the show the logo, and I'm hoping to publish more episodes more often. And with that, let's get started. Welcome back to coffee breath Conversations. I'm your host Russell and this is the 50th episode. And today I have my guest, John Uhler. And John, I will give you a chance to do a brief introduction because you got a lot going on for yourself.

Unknown:

So it's a pleasure to be with you. And congratulations on your 50th podcast. I also do podcasts but not as regularly as you do. So I am John Mueller, I'm a licensed professional counselor has have been working in the field of mental health for approximately 30 years a little over that now. And three primary areas of specialization over that time, survivors of sexual abuse and actually significant sexual abuse so much so that it shatters the personality as it were. So that's a strong area of mine. It's now called dissociative identity disorder. But there's a theory of counseling that's come along, I'm very pleased to hear that it's come along it's called ifs internal family systems therapy. So kids in the system, especially junior high and and teens, and ended up starting my own 12 bed, adolescent female group home but worked well out in California. So I'm Native from California, worked with all levels of continuum of care as far as kids that are in the system, especially out there they call it severely emotionally disturbed kids that actually gives background or for me context to be able to speak to what I call the trans deception because what we're hearing as far as the trans movement, everybody is now has heard of that. It is man made. Part of my work outside of my clinical work I do therapy full time, during the during the day is I speak to issues of the culture and draw upon my background both working with survivors working with kids in the system. And then also working 11 years in the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections on psychology staff was hired to start the first nation's first at least in the US intensive treatment program in long term solitary confinement. So I was the first one to do that, through that accrued more clinical contact hours than any other prison psychology staff member in the US or Canada. So there's a claim to fame. So I had the Hannibal Lecter is another you know, people that hack up bodies and all sorts of stuff. They were my clientele. I am also the reason why because I had to blow the whistle on inmate abuse. So I'm the reason why, at least in the US, solitary confinement is no longer used on mental health inmates. So I had my own if anybody's familiar with the movie concussion, if you go up against very powerful entities it can. It can be challenging, so I experienced them after 11 years retired from the Department of Corrections but while there did a lot of sex offender treatment, headed up one of the after the six solid years working in the unit, headed up on a pencil one of Pennsylvania's standalone high intensity Sex Offender Treatment Programs for sexually violent predators. That's 65 bed unit. From there was trained they flew Robert hare out from British Columbia to train a handful of us in the PCL or the hare psychopathy checklist. So I am forensically certified in that did a lot of other groups including also overseeing the mental health unit. Then after 11 years, I figured it was time to retire. So I started the church protect.org and survivor support.net Those are my two primary sites church protect.org Is my training site. On matters is related to predators and psychopaths, which there are two kinds. There's white collar and bloody psychopath. Survivor support.net is my primary endeavor to try to help survivors of initially and primarily it was for sexual abuse, but it has expanded. And then I also have a live Friday night, my own program on te si n.tv. So I do that that's called journey to healing. That's a neat break for me from tackling the social issues, because I get to deal with counseling issues that comes on Friday nights. And then the rest of the time I find myself compelled to speak to the issues that place women and children at at risk, including the men that are trying to get into women's sports or that have gained access. It's not what people think it's actually, for purposes, they don't care about the metals, by the way. So these are deviant men. And we can talk about what makes deviants, because that's really what we're talking about the end of the day, my background enables me to do that. Plus, I am currently a certified trauma specialist and I run sex offender treatment group. So I'm still in that. I've worked now with sex offenders for about almost 15 years, and I have a couple of sex offender treatment groups that I currently run throughout the week. But also the other issue that's near and dear to my heart that I've been creating a series on as far as podcasts is or videos are, how they are placing men in women's prisons. That should be a huge concern for all of us because the women are being placed in harm's way. But these are the same men. These are the same forces that are trying to normalize sexual deviance. I should also mention that I the majority of the group is out of Canada, but I am the lead clinical member for what's called the Soji international task force. And I can give people that website. If parents want to learn more about how the trans what I call the trans deception is sexualizing kids through schools and how to combat what's called so G sex ed which is sexual orientation, and gender identity. I recommend you go to our website, which is so g so g i 123. In Canada, they have kind of these steps so they say so G 123, task force.com and you will find a tremendous, ever growing repository of information to help parents be able to take back their schools and stop the sexual grooming that is going on because the trans deception is the world's greatest man made psych non psychological but it's a man made psychological push to gain access to the most vulnerable of kids. The trans movement is a moving sidewalk. A kid can enter in at any point in time but where that sidewalk dumps out. We'll be honest surgeons gurning. The child will have already been sterilized and then they will be amputated and after after the surgeon has gotten their money's worth meaning made money off of the skin and sex organs of these kids. They will toss the kids to the curb and these kids will forever now as young adults be forever dependent upon pharmaceuticals. So Big Pharma is making a killing this is a multi trillion dollar industry worldwide. Jennifer Billick in her vlog the 11th hour vlog follows the money. This is a massive attempt at making money off of kids and then my concern in my area is that it is the ultimate and run on lowering the age of consent because it really is a significant push to legitimize and de stigmatize and eventually legalize pedophilia. And because of my background, that is what I know and see with these different groups. They try to hide it but I feel compelled to help people see that it really is not what it looks like. And every creditor every manipulator every cult leader, every sociopath psychopath that one thing that go after our people's intuition, which dumbs down the reality testing and that is what you have playing out on the social scene right now.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

Oh, well, what do you have to say to people that say that, you know, anyone that says that there is some type of an agenda that there's some type of push tore for trans children? And that, that it's hysterical that it's based in transphobia, that it's homophobic, like, what do you have to say when people claim those things, because I've seen your, your work. And I've seen what people say, underneath, they're like, oh, look, just another bigot, just another transphobic just another person, you know, and then they and then they try to deflect back well, you know, someone should, you know, look into this person, because this person is talking about it so much. So, why are they so hell bent on not having the conversation overall,

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that should concern us wrestle, right, if you have somebody who's not willing to discuss, who's not willing to deal with facts, that should concern us, especially when it has to do with the health, safety and welfare of women and children. There was a day and age where we raised the bar on protection of women and children. What's happened with the trans movement is this and I have spoken a number of times about this a lot, actually. And here's what I want parents to understand about the trans movement is that it has been underway for proximately 20 years. So we have an entire generation of parents, entire generation kids that have become mentally and emotionally manipulated, we used to call it brainwashing. We've been mentally and emotionally manipulated to a point where we believe that this is something it's legitimate. It's real, when it's not. Now, how can I say that because I've been doing therapy with the exact population that is being targeted, quite frankly, with trapped by the trans movement and by predators. So those kids that are deeply wounded, as matter of fact, those kids that make up the trans movement, right, that that the jackals are circling around and feeding off the carcass of these kids, I use that metaphorically, but you have special interests. As a matter of fact, I have a video I put together called Understanding the trans movement, I recommend people go onto my YouTube channel, which I think is John K. EULAR. LPC, okay, and scroll down and look for understanding that transmitted on because in there I have I, I bring to the audience, a lot of good information as far as what are all the factors, but at the end, I created a chart to show what are the special interests? So the first thing I want the public or parents to understand is this, that what seems like something that we should accept has been contrived, has been manmade. Okay. Now, how can I say that? Because I can tell you before the year 2005, this did not exist. Now people will quickly say and this is the only thing the pushers of this agenda will say is that well, no it existed, it just wasn't free to manifest itself. Really? Well, then, what we are being required to believe, quite frankly, drink the Kool Aid when that comes out of Jim Jones of Guyana called and the most time tested of cult like methods and techniques are utilized in this movement. Okay, if we are to believe that this was underground and suppressed and finally now with education and enlightenment, out comes bursting forth this energy this, this reality, the like a volcano, because this thing has, if you look at the numbers of referrals to gender clinics, and I have a lot of those I have a blog as a matter of fact, in the very first blog, so I recommend if you want to see stats, go to survivor support.us survivor support.us And you will see by virtue of its it's on the top of the page because it's the most frequently accessed blog post. It is entitled What are the red flags that are being mastered something like that, but it has to do with what is it that we are missing or why especially professionals? Why are we missing very blatant red flags because there are nine key clinical indicators that are red flags of sexual abuse. And my my concern and my contention is this, that the trans movement and its philosophy and its juggernaut like steamrolling effect. It has taken those that are mandated reporters. By profession. There's a lot of different professions in which a professional is a mandated reporter to report suspected abuse, it is not our job to investigate. That's where law enforcement comes in. But there are many professions, education, so anybody involved in teaching as a mandated reporter, anybody in the mental health field is a mandated reporter, quite frankly, doctors, certainly doctors are mandated reporters, pastors and clergy are mandated reporters, coaches, right. Anybody involved. athletic directors, scouts, Okay, anybody that deals significantly, people at church, especially now youth involved in youth and nursery.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

So basically, anyone that's in a position of authority over youth,

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that's writing have significant contact with kids are mandated, they don't have a choice. Because if you don't report, then you are civilly or criminally liable. So you actually have to discharge your duty, if you suspect, which means you have to notice. There are annual if not biannual, meaning every other year, depending upon what position professionally someone holds. But if you have any sort of licensure, or certification, at least in the States, I'm going to assume it's the same thing in Canada, that in order to re qualify for your license, you have to have continuing education units, mandated in the United States, is child abuse reporting requirements. They've actually added one, which is very interesting under abuse is ritualistic abuse. And that's a very real thing. And I deal with survivors of that. But the requirement is this we are mandated to report if we suspect. So the contention I have with the trans deception is this, that in order to buy into and in order to facilitate the transition of kids, you have to turn a blind eye to the nine primary red flag key clinical indicators that scream sexual abuse, you have to reframe those. So no longer are you protecting children, like you're mandated to. Now you turn a blind eye to that and you reframe it as gender. So depression, anxiety, panic attacks, eating disorders, self injurious behavior, the personality disorders, any kind of significant mood disorders. You have to reframe each of those in terms of gender, and now you fast track these kids. Most of these kids that go on to have breasts removed, that go on to be have a complete youfor ectomy which has hysterectomies and having the uterus removed, as well, for boys complete castration. The vast majority of them have been influenced and come out of these pools of kits. So it's a combination, about 80 to 80, I assume to 80%, I saw a good study done, says 85%, especially these girls are sexually abused. They have a past history of having sexual boundaries crossed. That means that their intuition has been dumbed down, and now they are also traumatized, a traumatized young person. If the trauma happened early on enough, two things will happen. One is they will start to what's called dissociate, they will on some level, they'll say this isn't happening to me, I'm out of here. Well, if they go away, what part of them comes forward, and some of the personalities as it were, or parts can be male presenting. So if a male part of them is out, as most sexual abuse survivors will conclude, especially when they're young, it must be because I'm this gender because the perp is abusing me. And it's because I'm a girl. And here's one of the red flag indicators that every therapist used to know. This was and this is an eye virtually an iron clad red flag. If you're a therapist, and a young person comes in to you, and if what they say is, I hate that let's say it's a girl. I hate being ugly. I don't want to be a girl, I wish I was a boy. I simply asked this, to those in the mental health field, what's the very first thing that should go through your mind? Well, it used to be, that they were trained properly to look for and to discern, what are the red flags of child abuse, just as every rape victim feels dirty, why, because they've assumed the responsibility of the perpetrator, and they want to come home and take a shower. And so medical personnel trying to dissuade them from that they want to, because lest any DNA get washed off. So there's two things that are very true about abuse survivors, one, they feel dirty, and they feel they must have done something. One of the other profound effects, especially for younger kids is, in order to keep at bay the profound implications of the trauma, they will simply deflect by saying, If I wasn't a girl, he wouldn't be perpetrating upon me. So I don't want to be a girl. And I don't identify with being a girl. That's where you get some of the dissociative parts come in. So you have a young person. And one of the other signs is self injurious behavior, the cutting, I have a lot of different pictures that are posted on the websites of these diabolic diabolical Nazi like greedy doctors, where they show before and after. Oh, and like Dr. Gallagher, who is I'd love to you anytime she wants to come on my program and debate we'll be more than happy to because she's a mandated reporter. Okay, she has pictures standing next to young women that she has sliced off their breasts, I'm sorry, top surgery or what should be called double mastectomy because cults will refrain language. And you will look at the bodies of these young girls, and they have self injurious slicing marks all over their body. If I am a mandated reporter, I have been trained on what to look for, for the red flags of abuse. And a doctor has to do a full physical exam. You mean to tell me that a doctor who's trained as a mandated reporter, who sees self injurious behavior is going to go ahead and slice off the breaths of a young woman instead of sending her for mental health driven that sick? What is what has happened to our protective instincts for damaged and wounded young people? No, the trans movement comes along and says let's fast track them. For what? For their good. Oh, and now after they come out of the cold like state, they start to D transition and what is the trans movement do they pile on and they kick them to the curb? Just like a cult does. Once a kid come once a young person awakens to the fact that wait a second, I think I've been used, and so they've been manipulated. So my greatest concern is, again, we're dumbing down, mandated reporters ability to meaningfully discern the red flags of abuse. Another part of the overall population are those young people that are on the autism spectrum. Why? Because they also have a difficult time with their intuition. What a perpetrator needs more than anything, since they have no conscience, the only thing left for them, the only thing left to stop them from crossing the boundaries of their intended target is the other person. Well, you have one of two options, then if you're a perpetrator, I take a gun, I hold it to your head, so to speak, I am now going to coerce you, or I'm going to manipulate you if I'm going to coerce you, the there's a strong likelihood I'm going to prison. Those the kind of men I work with that that's a small percentage. The vast majority of perpetrators are masters of impression management. That's part and parcel of being a psychopath. And they know how to manipulate and con. And how you do that is you get the intended target of opportunity to dumb down their intuition. So abuse survivors and kids on young people on the autism spectrum have a very hard time with their intuition because it's already been crossed. That's all perpetrator needs. And by the way with the trans deception, it used to be that for those small that small percentage that did feel like they were born in the wrong body, historically, it was less than 1%. Let that sink in. And it was boys. And quite frankly, I'm convinced that in their background, you're almost always going to find sexual views. And if I'm a researcher, and I'm not asking for that question, I'm not asking that question. But I'm not looking for that information. I'll never derive that.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

Just to kind of bounce off a couple of things that you said there. So I'm going to tell a very, very personal anecdote here. So my family when I was a child, was groomed by a predator who gained access to my sibling, and then repeatedly sexually assaulted my sibling over the course of I think it was five years until they finally reported under basically telling my sibling that if they said anything, that they weren't going to, that they were going to kill my kill us kill the family and keep my sibling alive. And then my sibling would have to go live with the with live with them. And that helped keep the abuse quiet for about five years. Finally, my sibling how to support that notice something that no one else in the family noticed and kept bringing it forward kept bringing it forward. And finally, but everything you've said, My sibling, self injurious behavior, frequent nightmares, Bedwetting, all the signs and symptoms were there. But even then, no one everyone just thought my sibling was just acting out was looking for attention was like, even then, this is back in the early 2000s. Before, there was the type of things that we're seeing now, the boundary breaking sort of behaviors that we're seeing now and still even then people. And I think for this, you know, this groomer, this predator that got access to her our lives, saw that our family was already dysfunctional, saw that break in the armor and used it to insert themselves into our lives. And then, while the he went to prison for I think six years, which is actually a very long time for a sex offender to go to prison, most of the time, they don't go to prison that long in Canada, it was very traumatic, I think, even for the people that had to listen to it, went to prison for six years, from what I understand, did not spend very much time in an actual prison because as most sex offenders, their their victimology group is not inside the walls. So was and they often make model inmates because like you said, they're all about impression management, right? You know, they go in there, they're the ones that are very nice to the guards very nice to their parole officers agreed to do all the stuff except for take programming, they often don't take programming, and that I've done my own research on this. Got some minimum security, which is basically a day camp for perverts ended up back in the community. He did overall, six years, my family is doing life. You know, I love my family. I don't want to say ill of them. But we were never a close family after that it destroyed our family, our family to this day, is very, very dysfunctional still overall. And it all goes back to this one event well series of events over over time. And it destroyed our family. I still think that I still think one of the reasons why why my old mother passed away if she just gave up on life. And she said I couldn't protect my children and just gave up on life. And that's one of the reasons why she was she passed away. And she would I remember sitting at the dinner table like, at one point, this is how dysfunctional things had gotten. We're just eating supper and my mom just looked up and said, I deserve the cancer I got because of what happened to so and so. And then just went back everyone just went back to eating and I'm sitting there looking around, like, is anyone gonna say anything? You know, looking at, you know, my dad's my dad gonna go, you know, no, everyone just went back to eating. Like it was just normal thing to say the supper table, these predators and that we put so much focus on how we need to have more empathy for sex offenders and more empathy for victimizers, but I think is society we should be looking to have more empathy for victims and empowering victims.

Unknown:

100% Russell, so much has come to my mind, I'll just rattle off a few things. First, it's exactly what you said that perpetrators and their apologists what I would say now because there is a very significant push. There always has been but this is much more creative. There's a very significant push in North America. But you know, it's all throughout Western Europe. It's all throughout the world. There's a very significant push in the US and Canada to legalize pedophilia. People need to understand that once a man becomes deviant and I will help describe that I'm going to break that down just so I don't forget because that's most important. Once somebody becomes deviant, they become a hunter. People need to understand that they are now a psychopath and a psychopath there's three characteristics of a psychopath. There's two kinds that bloody psychopath. That is what we all tended before I understood psychopathy. When you hear the term psychopath, what comes to mind? Well, you know, Freddy Krueger, silence three dolmar, like, serial killers, and those, those are certainly psychopaths. But for every one of those, I'm convinced, and Robert hare is what's he has the surname, the godfather of psychopathy, okay. He created what's called the gold standard of forensic assessments called the hare psychopathy checklist. I'm certified in that it's not bad. But I think there's a couple aspects of it that are a little bit that it needs some help, such as this. Oh, I'm sorry. So Robert, here coined a phrase called a white collar psychopath. So for every bloody psychopath, there are many white collar psychopaths. A characteristic of a psychopath is this, okay? And, by the way, with a bloody psychopath. And partly because I've worked in prison, everybody will have to bear with me, I haven't become totally callous. But just like working in an emergency room, you kind of have an emergency room humor, and nothing's funny about any of this. But I would say the body count of the bloody psychopath is relatively low. Now, let me define that. One victim is too many. But if you think about how many victims a sex abuser has, they have a bloodless trail of victims that are emotionally bleeding the rest of their life. So a bloody psychopath has what I call a short shelf life, they will eventually all things being equal, they'll eventually be found out because those are the ones understandably, right we have man hunts that hits the news. Everybody's looking for this person, understandably. And we need to we don't want to have bloody psychopaths going unattended. But those the ones that get all the attention, understandably, right, they'll shut a city down. These are the ones that we do man hunts over, understandably, but for as many victims as they will have. A white collar psychopath far exceeds that, because they do so in a way where they don't shed any blood. I'll give one extreme example. I'm not aware of whether or not Hitler ever shed anybody's blood. I don't think he himself pulled a trigger. I don't know. I haven't read anything about that. So let me ask you, who was more dangerous, those that were running the camps or Hitler who orchestrated all the mass execution of everybody in the concentration camps. So he bears more responsibility, because he orchestrated all of this. So you have those that are very bright individuals. And here is the working definition of a psychopath. But they get into positions of influence and power. As far as the white collar psychopath, and they can do tremendous damage by by the way, where do we find them? We find them in finance. We find them on Wall Street, we find them in politics, we find them in education, we find them anywhere. We find them in medicine. They go wherever they can easily access victims. They will look for positions of power, and trust and respectability. We find them in the ministry. That's my greatest concern. That's why church protect.org was started. Think about the Catholic orphanages, okay, I'm not going to rag on Catholics per se. I have a lot of empathy for Catholics. I'm married to a woman that came out of a Catholic background. I went to a Catholic High School, but anytime and what we're discovering is this, and I am becoming more and more convinced that orphanages that because think about the kids that are in there, they have nobody to look out for themselves, boarding schools, humanitarian organizations, for instance, that went into Haiti, that access to all these parentless kids, I am very convinced more and more that these are havens for predators. And that a strong case could be made. Now in my mind, that the orphanages that the Catholic church not just the Catholic Church, and I am not anti religion. I'm a Christian by not just background but I'm actually a Christian, but predators love half the fun for them as playing good people for fools. And they will go where people will trust them and they will go where people will not ask questions. And half the fun for a psychopath is the tactics. It's game theory. It's being able to put it right out there. And that's where people also need to understand what are we seeing with these men that play dress up? They're putting it right out there drag queen story hours. Here's another huge concern and there was a good article I was interviewed for the epic unser epic Times story on furries. If anybody's familiar with furries, I was not the first time I was informed of furries I said once was a really heinous pedophile. He says you don't know about furries Mr. Mueller and I said know what a furries he said, Oh, where have you been? You? You need to get out more right? So what what are furries? Well think of a big mascot like costume at Disneyland or sporting events. How much of a person's identity is covered up 100% with drag queen story hour, how much of the guy's identity is covered up a lot? You can't make out who that is? What is the perpetrator need? What do they thrive on? Even online anonymity. These persons that are online, they create these fake accounts. They'll use little icons oftentimes of anime or deviant art. Okay, but you'll see these little furry icons. They will use anything that dumbs down a parent's intuition to where now a parent will hand kids over. You know, people think and we're taught Oh, Stranger Danger white van creepy guy trolling a park going around the perimeter having any as a trench coat, right boots, trench coat he's hanging up hanging around a tree is looking through. That's the vast majority. That's like 1% These guys aren't stupid, right? The dumb guys get found out. So where are you going to go. And they all talk. Perpetrators communicate extensively with each other. So with the trans movement and drag queen story hour and Furies, you're seeing a convergence in schools. And then Soji SEC says is bringing material to kids, which otherwise would get adults arrested. If you showed that material to kids, as matter of fact, the Soji sex ed material is so porn filled that if the guys in my sex offender treatment group, and people need to understand this, if a sex offender on parole was found with the material in the books, some of those pictures that are being shown to elementary school kids. If those pictures the same ones we're showing right out of these books were found on a sex offenders phone, that's insectes Fenner treatment he'd be he'd be failed out of sex offender treatment, and violet and sent back to prison.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

It would be like an instant breach pretty much absolutely what.

Unknown:

But we protect it because it comes under the guise of sex ed really, like these perpetrators don't use these kinds of books, exact same kind of books are what the perpetrators sat down with various kids said, let me read you a bedtime story. Let me show you a video. Oh, this is what this is what adults This is love. This is how we show love. And especially the first what's so dangerous is it starts with what's called anthropomorphic art, where you have animals that start to take on human characteristics. And they can show all sorts of abuse and pornographic stuff. But they won't get arrested because it is animated because it's cartoon. But perpetrators will use this and they'll use the online chat forums to begin to establish that relationship. And that's exactly your family fell prey to what these perpetrators do. And when a man goes DD let me describe this, this is the most important thing. Because I didn't understand this. I had been trained, like the vast majority of us, even though I was heading into the field of counseling. So now I'm in graduate school, we got graduate level books. But I had heard the urban myth what most people have heard, which is men who offend are reenacting their own abuse at the age they select a victim at the age that they themselves were abused, and therefore we need to have empathy and get treatment. I'm not against treatment. I do treatment for sex offenders. I am a certified Sex Offender Treatment professional. It's what I do, along with regular mental health.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

But on that's the old way of that's the old way of viewing that though, right? There's like a new way of kind of viewing that because this old way of well, all these men that are abusers were abused themselves, I think, didn't they have a study that came out that showed that that's not actually the case that some people are drawn into it through like other deviant ways and that Like, like pornography like they go from they view something that's more softcore. And it gets more hardcore. And that's not enough. And so then they go even more and more deviant

Unknown:

100%, as a matter of fact, so I'm not aware of this study, I'm, at some point in time going to publish, I just haven't had time. Okay, but all my material. By the way, if you want to look at my background, as far as what I have put online, as far as the research, you can go to church protect.org under the truths tab, and start scrolling down, I have what I call better than peer reviewed. Research, because peer review are a bunch of academics. I'm not minimizing this whatsoever, but a bunch of academics that review one another's work, well, you can come out of undergrad go into masters, and then PhD, and now you're going to do your dissertation. The question is this. How many years? Have you worked in a prison by that time? You haven't? I'm telling you what, if you haven't worked in a prison, and at one point in time, I never would have believed this. But unless you've worked in a prison, you can't do effective treatment on sex offenders. Why? Because I'm also doing sex offender treatment in the community, and I don't have any access to what I need to. So if somebody says they've done extensive research on pedophiles, and the research is in the community, they're a fool. Because they are taking how do they get their information? Self reports from who the perpetrator? Why would somebody before they've ever been busted? Why would they go seek out treatment? It's potential damage control, by the way, in case they do get busted, because then they're going to be able to have a therapist stand up or write a letter saying he slept or he fell off the wagon? Okay, 100% of all sex offenders. This speaks to what you just raised. And this is important for everybody to understand 100% You will never find an exception. How do I know because I dug deep and I have all access to all criminal histories, including juvenile histories, those are not as when they're expunged they do not disappear. Okay, so on site staff I had access to everything. Child on child offense is different than adults who have made it into adulthood that are well adjusted a child has been picked on by another child. By the time they reach middle school and then high school, they will be a troubled child, you will see behavioral evidence of that one extreme or the other either acting out or acting in it is not plausible. It is not believable. And it doesn't happen that if a kid has been sexually traumatized, that they will be able to keep it together until they graduate high school, it never happens. Zero, it doesn't happen. You will see there are the indicators, they will start to either pull within they'll start the self injurious behaviors going on. They'll start anorexia, they'll become depressed, anxious. So you mean to tell me a child in third grade who's burped on can make it out of high school without anybody knowing? No and the acting out child, certainly that child is going to come to the attention and that's where I having a background in residential treatment can tell you no child makes it unscathed. Who has been perked on you will see behavioral indicators and that's why I tell people if you want to research the effects of child on child offense in prison, you don't go to the sex offender unit. You go to the drug and alcohol unit. That's why what I call the regular sex offenders if I can say that those that have adult victims, that's why they want to kill the pedophiles. Why? Because there are no secrets in jail and they don't buy this minor attracted persons crap. It is a myth. If somebody can make it into adulthood, reasonably well adjusted and how do you know once they're arrested you you listen to the comments of the people around them. You have one of two extremes. The news reporter goes out standing in front of the house of the perpetrator and the interviewer and neighbor on either side. And the neighbors will say this. Yeah, we always knew that Mr. Jones, he was a little creepy. We told kids to stay away from them. Okay. Right. That's a guy that may have been perked up but he was creepy. The guy that is the sophisticated one that was never perked on is the one where you have people say I Dr. So and So pastors, elders zones, I can't believe it. You mean Scoutmaster Dr. So and so my coach, not him? No, I can't there. Why doesn't anybody notice? Why didn't they notice? Larry Nasser, the Olympic US Olympic gymnastics team. Why didn't anybody notice it's exactly the same guy that groomed your family. Because these guys are self controlled. They are methodical Robert hare will call them impulsive. That is one of the indicators of psychopathy, but for the most dangerous guy. You will not find impulsivity. That's why they're so sophisticated. And let me speak to deviance real fast. There's a progression. So first of all, 100% of all men who offend sexually have been deeply steeped in porn for years prior to offending, there is a progression downward. So 100 You'll never find an exception. Now, there's always been deviance, but it's always follow the progression. Ever since porn and the internet it has supercharged the process. That's why we're seeing so many younger predators. Okay, so 100%. So the common denominator now is porn, without exception 100% of pedophiles 100%, you'll never find an exception, and about 98 99%. So 100% of pedophiles will be busted with child porn, which is child rape, porn, and 98 99% will be busted. Also, they'll have charges which will also include the distribution or dissemination of it, because they share these pictures, they create these pictures. These are not mild mannered individuals, these are calculating predators. And predators know us better than we know them. And they know this that the average normal person wants to give the benefit of the doubt to other people. That's all predator needs. Because the average person has a conscience, we don't want to assume that somebody is has gone there's done that, if we don't have proof, well, if you have to wait to find proof out, look at how long it took and look at the damage and the trauma rustle that was done to your family. By the time I mean that perfect been long gone out of your family. So if we have to wait for definitive proof, we're going to be waiting till the cows come home because these guys aren't stupid. So that's why they override in tuition. That's what grooming is. And little by little I'm causing you to dumb down your intuition, which is your reality testing. And we used to say this, when it came to things that are just basic right in front of our face, we would say you know what? It's kind of like biology one on one, it's like a no brainer, these things. Isn't that interesting, the trans deception, what have they gone after they've caused us to not even be able to, to think in terms of biology 101 If a perpetrator can get us to deny what's right in front of our own face, which is called our own sex and sexuality, then they know will drink the Kool Aid. That's why it's so heinous. And these perpetrators, they've gone through stages. And this is what people also need to understand. I didn't understand this until one day working with these guys, because I was digging deep. You know, what's interesting is an outside academic researcher and they can get meaningful stuff. But they also don't understand that for sex offenders, if they're going to be interviewed. If you're a researcher, you're either asking for specific names of specific inmates or you're doing this general thing that I want to interview some sex offenders. Okay, on the other side in the prison, what happens? Well, people don't know that process. What happens is it goes on to the block or the housing unit or the prison cell, or the cellblock, okay, a notice is put on the bulletin board or done through the unit manager. We're looking for a pedophile, who's willing to be interviewed. Okay, the one crime that every inmate is going to hide is what for fear of their own safety is being a pedophile. So what inmate is actually going to say, Oh, I'm a pedophile. All sign up for that, because don't think people don't talk. Don't in prison. There are no secrets. Everybody knows when it comes time for that interview. Because it's during visiting hours. People know when there's a news crew. Right? You have you have inmate workers trust me. Everybody knows when pedophiles are being interviewed, they're marked men. Now, why would they do that? Because the only ones that are going to do that are the ones that are assured of getting out or they're put in a certain unit where they're safe, or they have enough protection because they've manipulated the the prison administration, they feel empowered enough that nobody can touch them. So they're specially guarded. So they're gonna go they're gonna, what they're doing. And the average academic researcher doesn't understand this with pedophiles. They know the pedophile knows there's either guards or speaker system, and everything they're saying is being recorded. They're using that to practice for parole. They're saying the right thing and they want to get out certain narratives into the literature which can help ultimately influence public opinion, public policy and legislation, which is now they want to they want to flip sympathies they want to invert and misplace sympathy so that we start going easy on them, start D stigmatizing them so that they sentence structure is less, and we're placing the public danger. But the process of deviance quickly is this lust is different than deviance. Everybody understands lust, that's a strong pole. If a guy gives gives into lust, that is the first process and the beginning process of objectification. I'm not seeing the person as a person any longer. Once I get into power and control, now I'm really not seeing the person. That's the dangers of kink, or BDSM. It's very heinous. And ladies, if you think that a guy is viewing the BDSM stuff, the way you aren't 50 Shades of Grey, I was working with sex vendors doing a group the first time that movie came out on Valentine's Day, and the male sex vendor said this, it was who I was working with, they said that book. And those movies have done more to groom women than they could have ever done. It scripted the mind what used to be sexual assault now, and it's fantasy. But now it's being welcomed by women, they're tolerating this stuff. And by the time a guy becomes deviant, and here's the here's the key. And this is it's like a jet flying into a cloud bank and getting inverted where they become in where they totally become different. Instead of what used to be good, bad, right? Wrong, it becomes inverted, and there's about 10 stages they go through. deviance is this. It is not about attraction. That's why no man is attracted to a child deviance is that the human mind has now become predatorial. And the goal is to impact negatively the person you're interacting with, so that you're going to scar their soul and leave a lasting impact you want to harm and traumatize and terrorize. You want to leave a lasting impact. I just want to get an erection when he when he's Davion, when he knows that the person on the receiving end of him is being harmed, a normal guy cannot get an erection unless he knows that his partner is enjoying herself. A guy who's deviant can only get an erection when he knows that he's traumatizing the person. That's key.

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Well, and I just want to add on to that, because I talked about this before just based on my own research that I've done, and that a lot of it comes down to power. And this an absolute power over another person. Because the the person that's doing the offending, some of it might be lust in some manner. But the ultimate end goal is that is the humiliation, it's the it's the absolute degradation of their of their victim. That's why, let's say this was an example that was told to me by by someone before and they told me they said, well, what's the ultimate way in prison to show power over for a man to show power over another man is to rape them. And it's not not because that man is a homosexual that wants to be with that man. That man knows that if they raped that other person, that person is completely powerless, All power is taken away. There's no they can't stopping them may not work, punching them up may not work. But they know that if they sexually assault that person, that that person is effectively dominated now, they use their body as a weapon. And that's when I talk about you know this, what sex offenders do they're using their body as a weapon against against their victim.

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That's right, Reza, but I really yes to everything you've said. But I want people to understand the difference. I can have power over somebody strong arming them in prison. I can have power without wanting to degrade and traumatize and humiliate. Once I go there now I'm deviant. Now it's not enough for me just to have power because now it's like organized crime. You have to pay for protection. I have power over you. A psychopath let me find there's three characteristics. It all comes down to conscience so pedophiles are not born. It doesn't matter what Dr. James Kanter says they're the one thing he will not acknowledge is how much porn has affected the brain. And so how does a man become a pedophile? They all start with adult porn. These researchers will never look at how much porn these guys gotten into so you continue down the pathway into porn it will always get harder it converges it's like an hourglass it all converges at barely legal. A regular sex offender it's even bizarre to say it like that will stop and back up. The most deviant of kind will continue and that's when the age and stage gets less and that's when the mark the desire to mar and scar and leave a lasting impact. So no man is attracted to a child. They're lying through their teeth. it, they want to destroy the mind and leave a lasting impact that's deviance. And that's where what we're seeing play out in the trans deception and drag queens story are people now need to understand these men are trying to gain access to kids, men who want to dress in drag stay with adults with all of this, it's not homophobic. what adults do, I may have my own personal opinion, you'll never find one thing I've ever said publicly about adults with adults, I don't care if you want to do weird stuff. If you want to go into a gay bar and do fancy jamming, I don't care. Get your hands off have kids and women, you and so if anybody's going to flip the script, I am not against any of that. I am for the raising of the bar for the protection of women and children. So men and women's sports, the guys are trying to are accessing the showers. That's all they care about. You want to find out why you prevent them from going in the showers. And they can't take their camera cell phones, you don't think they're taking pictures. You'll see them scream bloody murder, okay, just like the Wii spa thing. So no man wants to gain access to if you see an adult male who's uniquely interested in children, the greatest complaint of any wife in marriage counseling is he won't, he won't talk to me and he won't spend time with the kids. If you have an adult male, that seems to be a child magnet, you are probably dealing with the predator. And for those of you guys that start to squawk, like, oh, how mean hearted what I say is this no, you know darn good. And well, in this day and age, the responsibility is yours. If you don't want to be viewed as a pedophile, if you don't want to be viewed as a potential predator, get your butt away from these kids. You do it in a reasonable fashion with a bunch of adult men. We need healthy men involved in the lives of kids. But if you have a man that's trying to get alone with kids, we got a problem if it's uncle zone, so why isn't he with the rest of the adults? Why is he playing with the rest of the kids in the act in the upstairs bedroom? Guess why we got an issue, and he knows it and don't allow bright people to play brain dead. They darn well know. In this day and age, everybody understands about perks. That's why deviant men that are dressing in women's underwear and drag to get around kids. That's the only reason even some of the drag queens are finally coming out like a kitty, demure. And I forget the other one. They're saying do not let men in drag be around kids, men and drag the to stay around men and drag.

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I actually think, John, that that's actually a more common sentiment that people think but these drag queens, they don't want to speak up because they don't want to be stigmatized by their own groups and all that, but they need to speak up because I know a couple of people that, you know, again, they're living their life. They're adults, and they go in they do adult entertainment for other adults where they dress and drag. And I've asked them I said, Well, what do you think about this? And publicly, they say, Well, you know, it is what you know, and they kind of give these half answers. But when I talk to them privately, they tell me, I'm against it. But you know, they there's this sort of thing where it's almost been promoted. And they don't want to say anything about it. So well, you're the one that needs to say something, you're the important voice. You're the one that's involved in this industry, that can affect change, your voice is going to be way more impactful than me. Where they're just going, they're just going to say well, there's just another big just another transphobic, homophobic bigot or whatever.

Unknown:

What I tell people is Do not be fazed by that statement. You bring it always back around to this and here's the issue. The issue is this, the protection of women and children, if you're an adult man, you stay around other men. You stay around other adults, I don't care what you do, do not get around kids. If you are a man and you like to play dress up, number one, you're developmentally delayed, I'll share that with you but to each their own. You notice none of these guys are are going into old folks homes and reading now there's a population people that need people to read to them. If they have such a hankering to dress up and go read, there's a whole population, an aging population that are shut ins, that are that are in retirement communities that need people to come reach out to them. That's where these men need to be going. And what I would challenge these kinds of men with as well as also the furries again, don't have kids. As matter of fact, here's the one thing you won't hear out of furries, which is this. It's not appropriate or safe for kids. You adults, go play dress up all you want. But what I want to challenge these adults with is this. You know what, maybe it's time to put away your toys to put away you know, go you hadn't do whatever you're gonna do but don't sit there and run your mouth talking about how sensitive you are when you're not meaningfully involved in the lines. Have other people, why don't you instead of playing dress up? Why don't you pick up a hammer or a screw? Why don't you go to somebody's yard that you know, let's say a widow that needs help make yourself useful. donate your time in a constructive way, rather than a narcissistic myopic way, where all you're doing is getting together with a bunch of adults who really could be spending their time think about how many homeless people there are, you could be spending time in a soup kitchen. But no, you want to play dress up, that's fine, do that. But don't allow kids to be around you or don't access kids. And the fairies are so defensive when I simply say this, given the level of sexual deviance and how many sexual predators there are and have been found in furries because they flocked to where they can hide their identity. Simply say this, that this is not an activity or community that kids should be involved with wait till they're age 18. The fact that there's such violent pushback, shows you that wait a second, see, especially from a forensic perspective, a professional and this Another thing you're you're under your listeners need to understand is this. A normal adult when they encounter somebody that has spent time with the likes of Hannibal Lecter is and and rapists and people that have done heinous things I have spent time with I've accrued more clinical contact hours in solitary confinement than any single psychology staff member in the US or Canada. I hold the record. Okay. I can tell you definitive things. Now. Most people will say you what, yeah. You know about like, really heinous things. And you can tell us what goes on in their mind. Yeah. Like, you've spent a lot of time with him. And you can warn us about Yeah, what Oh, most people do. They'll say, Oh, so you can help me better protect my kids? Yeah. Well, tell me. Okay, that's a normal adult. At first. They may say, Well, I don't want to know. But wow, you've really got you're like the Jane Goodall of research. And, you know, other psych staff could do what I did, but they don't want it. They didn't spend, they just won't spend the time it takes a lot of time. Okay, so a normal adult, what I say is this, they'll lean into someone that has insight because they want to understand how to protect kids. They'll say this to the professional. Wow, you've interviewed guys that have hacked up body parts and stuff. So you know their minds. Tell me more. So they'll lean into they'll want to draw the information out. A predator will say this. You're what shut your mouth. I don't want to hear from you. I know. You've only spent 15 years you hold the record for hours accrued. You're certifying the hare psychopathy checklist. You ran one of the state's 65 Bed units standalone for Section pilot predator, you you you created the first treatment program long term, what do you know you faggot, you bigot? You whatever you homophobe Get away from me. We don't want to hear you shut your mouth. We ought to ban you from social media. Whoa. A normal adult wants to know more from those who know. So they can better protect kids. Somebody who wants access to kids for nefarious reasons will tell somebody like me to shut my mouth. That's all you need to know. For starters, right there who wants to know more from a professional who knows? Versus who wants to silence me? Why would they want to do that? And by the way, that that word? I've been called all sorts of things. So yes, I've been called the F word.

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Now, why is it that whenever, for example, I go on to the internet, and I see these drag performers. And they are, you know, in some cases, almost completely nude performing in front of children. And I say, hey, there's something wrong here. Whoa, what is going on here? And I'm told, number one, to deny what I'm seeing what I'm seeing actually isn't seeing, I'm being told, Well, this never happens. So then I post videos where it's happening. And they say, that isn't actually what's happening. So I'm being told to deny my eyes, which is called like behavior, you know, this idea of, you know, you can't actually admit what's going on. Then, if I present which I have all the receipts, I mean, I I save all the videos in that. So when people tell me it isn't happening, I can show them what's happening. Then they say, well, it might be happening on the very rare occasion, but it's very, very rare. Okay, so I say, well, those rare occasions, what are we doing about it? And how are we going to protect children from those rare occasions? Then the other thing I'm told is, and this is become very, very common, you know, I purposely added Reverend to my Twitter handle, and that because it just it absolutely triggers the cognitive dissonance and in an amazing subgroup of people I've been in amazed at how often people will put their biases on to me just by seeing that handle and they'll tell me, well, it's way worse than the church. And what are you doing about the church? Why don't you care about what's going on the church? And then I tell them, Well, I care about what's going on in the church. And I don't think that should happen. I think all predators should be locked up for life. And, you know, if they're really, really heinous predators, my personal opinion is I think they should be executed for the safety of society. And that's my personal opinion, that and then they're left with this thing of, well, what's happening there isn't as bad as what's happening in the church. So how do we reconcile that with this cognitive dissonance where I bring up and I show him the videos, and they turn around and they just send me a whole bunch of things of ministers and pastors and told me the church is way worse, the church's way worse, or they told me Oh, toddlers in tears, you know, you don't have an issue with that, though. And I said, Well, I do actually have an issue with that. I think it's absolutely disgusting as well. I think it's awful disgusting. And I think it should be taken off the internet as well. I think it should be taken off of all cable TV. And I think the people involved in that should be investigated as well. Why is it that whenever you bring this up as a thing, they say, well, it's not happening, or if it is happening, it's not that bad. And then if they have to admit that it's bad, well, it's not as bad as this.

Unknown:

Because they're deflecting. It's simple as that. Again, a manipulator, perpetrator, cult leader, sociopath, psychopath, all on a continuum, quite frankly, because they are all about overriding somebody's intuition. They're their overriding boundaries. In order to do that, you have to override intuition. They have an agenda, meaning they have a target, and they're heading somewhere. If someone starts to catch on to that, they have to throw them off track. So they will use time tested methods of doing that, even in a simple yet profound way. Most unfortunately, a lot of women have experienced this scenario. She has a man in her life, husband, significant other partner, she wakes up and he's not in bed. So she wonders, where is he? So she was wandering and sees this dim light coming from a certain room. She picks her head in and she sees him on the computer and what is he looking at? looking at porn? Unfortunately, the mass the vast majority of guys. And so let's say he's not aware, she's been quiet. And all of a sudden she does the, what are you looking at? Okay, now, and the guys in my sex offender group, I enact this and they confirm it. Okay, what will happen is this, she's come behind him, she clears her throat, he turns around, he doesn't have time to clear what's on the screen. And so now he's trying to multitask trying to get rid of it. Why? He says what? Okay? She says, What are you doing? What do you mean? What am I doing? Okay? We have deflection right there. We have denial. We're and he's eventually going to get into justification rationalization that he's going to project, right. Well, what are you talking about? What's on this? Nothing. And he's trying to click out of it. He says, What are you doing? Why did you sneak up on me like that? Why aren't you asleep? You know, I'm just minding my own business. And I can't get I just need a little time to myself and I couldn't sleep and you come walking. You notice what he's doing? The only thing he's not doing he's not doing is acknowledging that she saw him and he's busted. So he's no, he's not confirming and affirming reality and her intuition, he's starting to say this. This was what every manipulator sociopath, psychopath, perpetrator, predator and cult leader will do. They'll use this phrase literally or figuratively, they're gonna say this. Well, I know what it looks like. But it's really not that. And what I say to guys is this probably is what it looks like. There are exceptions. But if I have to spend a lot of time telling you, well, I know what it looks like. But it's really not that the question is, why do I have to do that? Because there's probably a lot of stuff. That's where there's smoke, there's fire. And at some point in time, we need to shift it to where the burden of proof is on the guy is on the perpetrator. So they will always distract. So just like the guy gets up, he's covering the screen is looking at her while he's trying to. That's what every perpetrator is going to do. And they're apologist and really a perpetrator apologist, in one way or another has a vested interest in also taking the spotlight off the guys so they're going to benefit in some fashion one way or another. Online. I think a lot of these perpetrator apologists are perpetrators themselves. The primary thing that a perpetrator has to do is make sure that he can continue to hunt well, people Well, he throws people off track. So the very first thing he's going to do is flip the script as the inmates say, they're going to flip it on you. And you have to if you're a parent or a reasonable person, you stay on message, which is this. It's all about the protection of women and children. And in this day and age with how many guys are accessing porn, it is not safe to have guys that give evidence of accessing pornography. How do we know they're accessing pornography? Because with drag queen story, our no man thinks it's a reasonable proposition to put on women's underwear if he's not accessed porn doesn't happen. So if you have a guy that dresses in women's underwear and drag, he has been accessing porn, is it safe to have a guy who accesses porn gives evidence? And you look at what these guys do on their off hours, which are really they're on hours, they're at clubs stripping, these men are saturated in porn. Why do they want access to kids? We're going to put the burden of proof back on them. What I say to every single person is no I'm not phobic you are lacks in child safety. You are lacks in protecting women and children. Don't talk to me about phobic because I've never once talked about what parents what adults are going to do with themselves. I'm not fearful of anything. As a matter of fact, I've gone where you've never gone. I've worked with the worst. I'm not afraid of anything. You're Veritas phobic, you are afraid of the truth. And the reality is this. Keep your hands off of kids get away from kids, you leave kids alone. Kids do not need a deviant man playing dress up. Then he man plays dress up, he's at best developmentally stuck. You want to go read in drag you go read the older folks that are by themselves that are that are in retirement communities that need people How about over the holidays? know they want access to kids? And we all know why they're getting into schools. We know why because they're grooming kits. These are gender confused kids. Why? Because no child, no young person will ever be confused about their gender, unless they become confused by somebody older, and typically inevitably, is by porn. As matter of fact, you remove the influence of porn and those that have used it to influence and script the minds of kids and the porn. I'm sorry, that trans movement will fade away. It did not exist prior to the year 2005. It is an inextricably tied to pornography. You have you have grown to these kids to where now they are confused about their own gender. It used to be that psychology was all about helping self esteem. How do you do that? You help a child find out what they're good at you build their competencies, you help them find out why they were built, what is their purpose in life that's gone. Now how do we help kids are we're going to make them eradicate themselves, we're going to have a dead name, we're gonna bury their old self really know what you're doing is you're taking an abuse victim, all things being equal, and little by little, you're making it much more difficult for them to ever go through the healing stages. Because now you're going to you're going to exploit them. And you're going to continue to affirm a delusion is one of the criteria for a delusional disorder is if you believe something that is not true. So if somebody tells you, I'm not a boy, or I'm not a guy, I'm a girl. That is delusional thinking. We don't help anybody to to affirm a delusion. We help them by understanding where that thinking came from. So they can begin to find out that somebody crossed their boundaries, who filled their mind with this stuff. So they also can finally put this stuff away and begin to focus on what's going to help them be a complete person not become dependent upon pharmaceuticals, having been preyed upon by financial, medical and sexual predators. That is not how you help someone, you help them accept themselves, not tell them they need to eradicate themselves.

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John, let's flip the script here for a second. Why, from what I've seen, is it that the vast majority of the time that people bringing children to the drag shows are women because the kids don't walk there themselves. They don't find out about themselves. Someone has brought them there. Someone has chaperone them there. Why does it appear the majority of the time it's Mother's Day. Women, sometimes you'll see men there. But quite often, it appears that the audience is the vast majority are women. Why? Why would they bring their child to a drag queen storytime hour? Or in some cases, we've seen them, bring them to bars where they're like that one, that one video, they brought their children to the bar and in the background and says it's not going to lick itself. Like, why, why why? If I, I'm not a parent, I'll admit that. But if I was a parent, and I walked into a place where the school or library or whatever said, there's going to be this fun event. And I walked in, and I realized it was a bar. And there was a sign that said, it's not going to lick itself. I'm walking out the door, I'm going to phone up the place, and I'm going to lodge a complaint. And I'm never going to trust that organization ever again. I'm never going to go there. I'm going to tell all my friends. Don't ever go there. Don't bring your children there. Stay away from these people. What what has failed here?

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There we go. First, I want to segue with this migrators concern for those that are still the naysayers that are trying to distract saying Why aren't you concerned about churches? Migrate is concerned churches 100% Long before or prior to ever hearing about the trans movement I had created church protect.org Why? Because I had learned from the incarcerated pedophiles that the most sophisticated were involved in churches, they were perfect on churches are kids in churches, they were pastor, so and so there were elders, they're the most vile. So what I want people to understand is my greatest concern is churches. That's why there is church protect.org And I can come out and do a training in your church. By the way, it's really a collection of churches, okay, because purpose will go from one church to the next. So, if you hold a training, I require multiple denominations, multiple churches in the area, the leaders get together so they can protect the flock. Okay, so my greatest concern is churches. The question for those who want to deflect is why aren't you as concerned as those of us in churches are about perps? Meaning for the average churchgoer, if you tell them I think there's a pedophile. What you'll see the majority of church goers Is this where like, we want to protect our kids, we might we were naive. They'll they'll say, John, there's what Tell me more. Now, a lot of churches, quite frankly, a lot of the leadership are afraid to go there. Because also there's a direct parallel. Once you start training a church, how to understand predators, you will also open up the can of worms on domestic violence. And so that's another passion of mine. And on on journey to healing the program I have from eight to 9pm, Friday nights on tcn.tv. Tonight, we talk about pigs we have to be able to spot pigs because a pig and a dog and a fool in a reprobate mind is the same thing as a psychopath is a manipulator is a sociopath and a cult leader. These are all the same. We're talking about people that have given themselves permission to be selfish selfishness grows. Now you layer that with sexuality. And eventually you're going to get as far as a male you're going to get a deviant male that's going to go on the hunt. So churches are my greatest concern. And then schools, the you know, the drag queen story hour in the furry those are late in the game. But those are the most creative options now to your question, Russell. I think for these parents and look at Jazz Jennings mother, and I'm going to be doing another podcast on you're dealing primarily with what you got one of two issues either these woke parents who are more concerned with popularity than parenting, or they have personality disorder. And you can have what used to be called Munchausen syndrome by proxy that I used to be for physical reasons I'm deriving a lot of benefit a lot of accolades, a lot of attention by my child being sick. In this case, my child is now born in the wrong body. What I want to say to those parents, first of all, the majority of them again, you have kind of a population within a population within a population. You can have women that are predators. Right think about Ghislaine Maxwell, she worked with Epstein. Allison Mack worked with Renee Neary in Nexium, you can have in the most extreme situations, foster parents that are predators. And so they will get these kids and they will then start to take them and allow others to have access to them. They will network naive, they will work naive parents. So the question is who's invited these other mothers to these shows a lot of predators and again, predators know us better than we know them. We don't want to believe that there are predators right now in your church in my church, I can tell you there are, I can tell you, they are involved in either the nursery or the youth work or in some way or another. They're having access. They're working at they're involved in the Christian schools. I'm working with a client who was severely systematically sexually abused between the ages of three and five and then even older. But one of the perps, I'm convinced there were two sisters, one of the perps worked at the church nursery, and there was a, a preschool or a daycare. They they work amongst themselves as far as networks. So you don't know if one of these women that are sending out notice saying, hey, gosh, they use all these demonic names or these perverted names. By the way, I'm Penny cost. Okay, there's one in Canada and Vancouver. So Miss Penny cost, okay, talk about blasphemous. Where's the sensitivity? Okay, that's a play on Pentecost. Okay, but you're always going to find either blasphemous, little turns or tweaking Christianity, or very deviant, either sexually deviant or satanic names, they play on these names. Again, perps love to put it out there because that's half the fun. What they're also doing is this, by the way, drag queen story. And other groups like this, you know, as they're being invited into schools. But parents don't understand they're testing the resolve, and the the discernment level of discernment of a community. They're coming in. And if they get a lot of resistance, they'll move on. If they don't get a lot of resistance. Now they know the hunting is good, and the pickings are great. And it's like shooting fish in a barrel. They know how to manipulate rustle think about what this perp did to get into the life of your family. He wasn't dressed in drag. But the more outlandish these guys can be, then they know these parents really are brain dead. Because if they're willing to accept a deviant guy were in drag. Then once he takes his outfit off, and you don't know what he looks like, now he can be the teacher, he can be the substitute teacher, he knows, you just drink the Kool Aid. So therefore you're going to deny and ignore as the parent whatever is in front of your face. So he's not grooming your child, he just really cares about your child and really wants to spend extra time to make sure that your child feels supportive, and we're going to invite them to the after school or the the club the safe space. Because we want to make sure there's no bullying, we want to make sure your child is affirmed. And meanwhile, your pots and you're full and your child is being groomed.

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We had talked just briefly about this before we went on air. There's been this really worrying thing that I've seen on libs of tick tock, Matt Walsh just posted a bit about a couple of other people James Lindsay and not. And what I've really seen is these videos where the teacher comes out as gay, queer, whatever, and all the students you know, they're all standing there applauding and that you're that you're so amazing miss so and so Mr. So and so. I've seen one that was as bad where they were in a gymnasium and the whole school was cheering on this, this teacher and I thought to myself, when did it become the responsibility of children to affirm adults? When did that become a thing? Why as an adult? Do you need the affirmation from children to feel good about yourself? Don't you have friends? Don't you have family? Don't you have a support system? that's age appropriate. And one of the main reasons why I say this is you look at the famous picture of the dock workers in Germany, Robert land Messer, all the dock workers are giving the Nazi salute except Robert Landmaster is standing there with his arms crossed, and of course, because that he was taken away by the police and, and bad things happened to him. These children are being told that they have to affirm this teacher, they they're not given an option in it. There might be a student there that may say well, I may not necessarily agree with this, or I don't understand this and or whatever. But they are going to go along with the crowd because there's a fear of ostracization. That really worries me is because it's this almost enforced group think of you will affirm this teacher, you're not to question this authority figure. And how do we end up in situations where children do end up being groomed and exploited is when they have to put faith and trust in the authority figure that they may not even necessarily agree with? That's right.

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And the primary concern and again, my recommendation for parents or good people that want to combat this kind of stuff. And again, let me give a plug for the group that now I'm a part of, or it was established, they invited me. So I'm the Lead clinical member is the Soul G, international task force. So that is a tremendous resource. It's a repository of a lot of important information, especially how to, for parents at arms, parents, with the knowledge and the practical application of how to push back how to take back your school, how to protect your child, from the sexual grooming from this Soji sex ed stuff. So the website is so g 123. Task force.com. Okay, so that's a great resource for parents. What I would say is this, again, when you have these, these teachers, first of all, I would say this for those teachers, right, right off right out of the gate, those teachers that are going on tick tock, and talking about how they affirmed they're, they're coming out to their kids, okay? We have a number of concerns here. At the very least we have really emotionally immature adults that are teaching kids, I would say narcissistic, the last time you checked, you're supposed to leave your personal stuff at the door. They're bringing it in the classroom, and they're teaching kids. Me is I don't care straight or gay. Why are you bringing up sexuality to kids? You know, kids are easily influenced. So you are indoctrinating them. If you don't like that term, then stop. So number one, I'll take the most simplistic adults. I'm worried about the developmental level, the character level of any, any of these teachers that look so frail. And so personality disordered. And really, that's what we're talking about. So I have a personality disordered teacher that can't figure out to keep their own stuff out of the classroom, we have a problem that teachers should not that adults should not be teaching kids. If you cannot keep your own crap out of the classroom, do not talk about your sex and sexuality to kids. It's never been appropriate. If you can't help yourself that don't teach last time I checked, it's for reading, writing and arithmetic, and social skills not to talk about sex and sexuality if you do. Now, here's my greatest concern. So on the one hand, the the most mild thing I would say is your giving evidence of being developmentally stuck, and you have a personality disorder. That's the most mild thing I could say about you. You need psychological help. And you shouldn't be teaching because you're bringing your own personal stuff to work and influencing these kids talking about topics that shouldn't be discussed. At worst, your perp, you're working with another group, and you're putting this stuff out there. And it's not up to me to say to prove that you're not, if you don't want to be accused of being a perp, then shut your mouth about your sex and sexuality. Because perps will work in groups in groups. And right now, I think there's one teacher a day, at least in Canada, that is unmasked. If you go on Yahoo. I've never seen it like this before you go on Yahoo, bring up the homepage. And every single day now, a teacher is busted. First, for a sex offense against kids every single time I've never seen now it's usually two stories. So go up, just go on Yoo hoo, Yahoo, bring up the homepage and scroll within the first six stories you're gonna see teacher with Boston. So we have an epidemic and it's not an epidemic. It's always been there. I think now, it's they're either so brazen, or that somehow it's coming out more. Okay, but then again, more adults are going are becoming more deviant. So we have a massive problem in schools, of predators being in school, how do predators grown? They will introduce sexual topics. Every teacher is a mandated reporter, every teacher knows that one of the red flags is an adult talking about sexual things with a kid. So my challenge to those parents to those teachers that are talking about sex and sexuality, what makes you any different than what you just learned about in the mandated reporting course? Why are you fitting the profile of somebody I'm going to have to report don't act like one, keep the issue of sex and sexuality out because if you do, then you fit the profile of a groomer. So don't do it. Shut your mouth. teach the curriculum. And then we won't have to talk about this issue will we?

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Grooming the term itself, I would say that James Lindsay really brought that to the forefront. And he was on Twitter, he started mentioning that term, and it really seemed to resonate with the Conservatives and really seem to upset the progressives. So what kind of took off is this term. I mean, grooming itself is as a term has been around for quite a while, but it really took off online. And now it's become part of the culture warm nama culture, overall, looking at this from 30,000 feet, let's say like, let's take like a very, very high end, look at this. Why is it that all this stuff that we're talking about, is all protected in the more progressive sphere overall? Um, I know several liberals I friends are liberals and friends that are, you know, I would say even further left than liberal, not full communist. I'm not really friends with any communists in that, but they're saying that there's something wrong with this. But yet our media is promoting this, our institutions are promoting this. Everything that I'm seeing is promote, promote, promote. Where's this coming from looking at from 30,000 feet? Why is there such a big promotion of this under the progressive sphere? Well, where did this come from? I mean, we can go back to Alfred Kinsey and and kind of the, the French pervert philosophers and that I mean, they I think they did play a role in all this, but it can't just be a bunch of perverted French philosophers. There has to be a bigger picture to this. It can't simply just be a Faustian bargain between the communists and the pedophiles. As you know, James Lindsay often says it is I think it's got to be even bigger than that. I mean, Aldous Huxley in Brave New World, in that book, children were introduced to sexuality extremely young, to D stigmatize it. And so Where's this coming from? If we're going to take a 30,000 foot approach to it,

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I would recommend people go onto my YouTube channel, scroll down far enough. And you'll see the video understanding the trans movement because I have a chart near the end. And I highlight what I believe are each of these special interests. Do they all talk as far as the special interests? Do they all communicate? Probably not. But they're all benefiting from benefiting off of, as I say, the carcasses. These are the jackals that are feeding off of these kids. These these special interests have a vested interest in having access to the bodies in the minds of young people. And we understand that marketers and advertisement they've always, you know, Fifth Avenue marketing, they've always right, there's always a push. If you can get a kid into something the parents are going to go along with that whether it's the latest fad or craze. So it's always been powerful to market to kids as matter of fact, there's been a push to and there was a push to limit commercials to kids because kids are so easily influenced than they pepper they're, they break down the resistance of their parents before you know the parents are buying things for the kids so kids can be very persuasive anyways. Perpetrators know that if you can, if you can access a child and influence their sex and sexuality you have them for life. Why? Because we are sexual beings, not the way Kinsey and Kinsey was a huge influence. Why because as matter of fact, he was funded by the Rockefeller Foundation. Rockefeller Foundation is admitted as such. And also the CIA. Alfred Kinsey was a pedophile and a sexual sadist. He was a deviant he was used to to create false research that was done by pedophiles harping on kids, Judith Riesman. And I became really good friends. She asked me to write a book just shortly before her death. And in fact, I was in this office when I was dissuading her from getting her second poster. That's a different topic. She died just shortly after receiving that second poster. So Judith, that and that was one of the greatest thrills of my academic and professional career to become good friends with two to three ism and Dr. Riesman unmasked Alfred Kinsey in Kinsey crimes and consequences and a number of other books. So Kinsey was used to change the sexual mores of the US and therefore the world. Hugh Hefner said that he would become Kinsey's pamphleteer. So pornography got its launch from or influenced by Alfred Kinsey. Ever since pornography, the world has never been the same. And then the internet At so you have an increasing sexualization. You look at Pornhub you look at how many hits per day I forget, like 135 million. I can't even keep track of how many not that I were, but you look at the stats. What it means is the vast majority of men are accessing porn every single day. Porn is not static. It will it will progressively lead a man into more and more hardcore porn and more and more degrading more and more deviant kinds of stuff. There's a progression. So you have an active coercing of society. Men are becoming more and more men are becoming sexually psychopathic. That means and again, a psychopath is simply three things I should finally mention this is no conscience who has overridden his conscience, if you override your conscience, two things are going to be true. You won't feel sorry for what you've done. Because if you have no conscience, you're not you have no remorse. And you don't care about the impact that you're going to have another person that goes empathy. So a psychopath by nature has silenced his conscience overwritten hardens conscience and so he has no empathy or no remorse. Now you layer that you can have a financial psychopath. When you walk into a car dealership, you certainly have sociopaths. sociopaths are really sales, they operate on cost benefit analysis. But a psychopath has taken it even further where for him, it's now about game theory, and it's about having the last word last say last laugh and the impact. A sociopath doesn't care about impact. He just wants the benefits. So he'll move on. If the cost outweighs the benefit a psychopath won't a psychopath will go to war over making sure you can't leave or you can't re establish boundaries. So by nature, very different but it all starts with narcissism by the way, because you have to feel pretty good about yourself and we think a narcissist has low self esteem he doesn't. A simple narcissist needs a mirror, a sophisticated narcissist has staying power, right? Because you have to feel pretty good about yourself to believe you have the right to cross somebody else's boundaries. And that's the beginning of the snowballing effect. You layer finances on top of a sociopath or psychopath, now you have a financial psychopath. Bernie Madoff is the classic According to Robert hare, the classic white collar psychopath, he was head of NASDAQ made off with everybody's money. So that's a financial psychopath. Look at just what happening to FTX or whatever with Bitcoin. These are financial psychopaths. They've never shed any blood, but they've taken how many billions you know, they've ruined people's retirements. So layer sexuality on top of a psychopath, now you have somebody that is hunting, to derive benefit at the expense of their intended target. And a psychopath, a sexual psychopath, eventually will target kids as far as a pedophile will. So you have special interests that are going to that know the power of influencing sex and sexuality. So I believe you have influences like George Soros, and on a very large scale, they know that if you impact the kids sex and sexuality, they now vibrate with all sorts of energy, I'm using this loosely, but you kind of wind them up and pointment and direction and burn, burn Seattle down, burn Portland down, burn the you know, so along with BLM, we started seeing trans lives matter and the largest riots were in cities that happened to have significant transgender medical clinics, because they affect the brain these hormones do. So you can change society, if you if you blur the lines of sex, meaning male, female, then you are going to confuse that generation. Therefore you affect marriage and family, you end up doing away with marriage and family, your society will collapse. And that is how every dictatorship, every communism, whatever you want to talk down, they have to do away with the nuclear family, meaning who owns the kids. So you either have private property and parental rights or you don't, it really comes down to that. So those that are interested in changing society, and then you have these other special interests, those that are interested in society, they don't care if kids dress up as cats or furries or drag queens, they don't they don't care. They're interested in shifting society. You have big pharma. Once you get these kids on these hormones, and especially if gone through sex change operations, they have to stay on pharmaceuticals for life Lupron was given as sex offenders to sterilize them, okay. You have surgeons that are making a killing there buying personal yachts and whatnot, it's a, it's a free for all, we don't want to believe that surgeons could be financial psychopaths that would actually remove organs for profits, hospitals, doctors, so the the medical end of things, then you have merchandising, then you have social media, then you have media. And then my concern is you have the pedophiles, you have the predators Pornhub. So big porn, also, there's a push within the trans movement to legalize prostitution, some of these trans pushers will say, and these doctors that are so heinous, because there's a waiting list on GoFundMe of 45,000 kids or something like that waiting for double mastectomies that can't afford it. They'll tell these kids will go do prostitution for a while. So they have only fans. And I think about what we're telling you. So there's a push to legalize prostitution. Why? Because there's big money in it. And once a kid gets in there, the likelihood they're gonna get hooked on drugs, they're going to be owned by a pimp. So there's a lot of financial incentive for those that are going to use these kids. Because once a kid gets into porn, now, somebody older or more sophisticated is waiting for them. So again, you have special interests, my greatest concern are the predators, and those that are going to push pedophilia. And what you have now this topic, this term that was also really sped up by the COVID issue is bodily autonomy, meaning a child can make decisions, independent decisions when it comes to his or her own body. That's all perpetrator needs. You look at California, and you see what's happening, they're going to do an end run on parental rights and an end run on age of consent. Now in California, you can have a 14 year old, I'm sorry, 15 year old with a 24 year old. So age 15 is in what grade, possibly still eighth grade or middle school, maybe junior high. I'm sorry, junior high, or maybe freshman in high school with a 24 year old that's a college student. That's a man, the guy that's pushing it, senator from California Senator Wiener, interesting, out of the Bay Area, guess what population benefits from being able to have access to teens without fear of being put on the sex offender registry once they are busted for working these kids. So the idea of grooming simply as this, I'm Little by little I'm working you toward a desired end. That's all grooming us. So if I'm a car salesman, when you come on my lot, my lawn, I'm grooming you. If you are in church, and I'm a financial perp, I'm grooming you, I'm going to, I'm going to have reasons why you're gonna stand up to dig deep, deep to take out your wallet. Okay, so whatever it is, whatever I want, I'm going to work you and that's all grooming is it's working another person, little by little. It's very common for survivors. And that's one thing that perps in their apologists will try to say that if a child was abused that they, they couldn't forget that therefore if they've forgotten, it's false memory syndrome, which by the way, the false memory Foundation was started by two people, one of whom was a perp the other pathologist. So the idea of suppressed memories is very real, push things away, that are out of our hands too much. So trauma is too much to deal with. So that's very common.

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I want to ask you to give some tips and advice to anyone that might be watching. That might want to make sure they're taking an active role in preventing grooming behavior to start with, detecting it when and if it occurs, intervening, and then helping people seek help. I know that's a lot, but maybe just break down a few key things that people can do.

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There you go. The first is awareness. Yeah, what do you what do you look for the very first thing in my estimation? Well, first you want to be protected, but also the more you can begin to educate yourself on how perpetrators and predators think what goes on in their mind, then you are better armed to not be thrown off track or off course. And if your intuition is telling you something, a purpose, you're going to set boundaries. So first of all, be very mindful of anybody that seems uniquely interested in being around your child. We'll just put it like that. Especially a guy especially a man. Okay, remember, in marriage counseling In the two primary issues that inevitably will come up is he doesn't talk to me. Also, again, the four topics are money, sex and loss and kids, but it's going to be he doesn't talk to anyone sacks. The other is he doesn't spend time with the kids. So most men have to be reminded to spend time with kids. So if you have a man that seems like a child, or a kid magnet, that's a red flag. What you do with that is you talk to the adult saying, I don't know if you're aware of it, but it seems like you're spending a lot of time with kids, I would prefer that you focus more on adults, you don't have to go any further than that. But you've given him notice, you've reminded him because in this day and age, a reasonably intelligent individual is very aware of issues of sexual abuse, and they want to make sure that they are not, their actions are not misconstrued. The average adult is very mindful in this day and age. So if you have a reasonably intelligent adult, playing brain dead, meaning, like they don't understand, that's another red flag. So a normal adult, like if somebody came up to me and said, Jonathan Moore's law, and just it seems like you're spending too much time with those kids. That's all they have to say to me. Right? They haven't said, I think you're a perv, I think, right? So they've been polite. But I got the hint. And I don't want to be viewed that way. And so I've one of two options, either thank them and I back away from the kids. And I start to kind of rethink what what's happened. Or I will give pushback to the person that's just said, whether parent or whoever is just, hey, I think you're spending too much time. If an adult if a protective adult speaks to the issue with another adult that spending too much time, if the adult that spending too much time gives pushback. That's a concern. Okay, so you want to look for someone who is spending an inordinate amount of time with somebody else's kids, who is very persistent, in trying to do so will not be receptive, but will deflect and then rationalize and justify that that's a huge concern, because adults should be spending time with adults. Churches are my number one greatest concern. They're the number one hunting ground. Then anytime a man looks deviant Now, what does that look like? If they look like they're into sex and sexuality kind of stuff, if they're starting to major on that, that's where all the drag queen stuff comes in. Again, what adults do with adults, I don't care. This is about protecting women and children and their private spaces. So when men and women's sports the men do not care about winning medals, that's just the preliminaries for them, pardon the pun. They are doing so because they want access to the changing rooms with their cell phone cameras. That's what this is all about. The men in my sex offender treatment program are rolling their eyes that cannot believe how naive the general public is. So if a man dress dresses deviously, any guy that dresses in drag is wearing women's underwear. No guy thinks that a reasonable proposition to dress in women's clothes, if they have not accessed a lot of porn. First, simple as that. Some people will say, Well, back in the 50s Are you not like this? Those were onstage those are jokes. Those were men that were acting buffoonish. Okay, they would never have thought about getting around kids. They are not drag queens, okay to get up on stage in the 50s, like, Red Skelton and others used to do a little skit. That's very different than what's going on now. So the the gay lifestyle is saturated, saturated with porn and deviant sex and sexuality. They need to stay away from kids. Any adult that is especially a man that likes to play dress up, we have an issue, they at least they're developmentally stuck. At most, they're covering 100% of their identity. That's a huge issue. So those are some things to look for. The persistence and you're gonna see that tremendously online. A predator will not agree with here's really where you will get pushback to say that if in doubt, you shouldn't have minors in a questionable environment. Predators want minors, you would reference toddlers and Tierra I discovered from other inmates that the pedophiles would line up early on the block when it was time for toddlers and tears As they would be able to access regular channels, all the pedophiles, watch Toddlers and Tiaras. There's a huge concern. So again, if you have a man that's unusually interested in, we see it in the newspaper all the time by the time they're busted. So men that are involved in dance men that are involved in drama, men that are involved in gymnastics, I'm not saying every single one, but I'll tell you what, if you ever want hands on access to young people, so any guy that is not very circumspect, himself. You need to question especially in this day, in this day and age, so, because trust me, you Russell May, let's say we have a bunch of boys, and we're doing Boy Scouts. And that's that's a fine thing. But unfortunately, look at the numbers of men that have come forward. Now that we're perfect on. It's good. I forget how many almost, I mean, just double digits, like almost almost a million young people now that are adults, I think I forget. It's an astronomical amount. And the question is, how did it go on so long? Because of the dynamic. And so now, if you have any kind of activity, and plus, by the way, slumber parties should be a thing of the past. It's just not worth it. How many of the men that I work with access kids through slumber parties just don't do it anymore? Right. Nothing good comes from slumber parties, that's when the porn is going to come out on somebody's cell phone. Or somebody's left on one of these kids. But this is the heads up to all men that are dealing with youth when we need men, we need good, strong and character men, especially for kids that are growing up the single homes. But those men will always be very circumspect. And they will always have additional men around them. If you look, watch for a man that is willing to get alone with somebody else's child, and that's a red flag as well. Well, I

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think they call that the paring principle, anytime, anytime. It should be any adult, but particularly men for their own protection to against false accusations which do occur not not as often as not, not very often, but it does happen. But men, whenever they're working with youth should always have another adult present with them. They call it the they call it the pairing principle. That's right.

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If you see an adult man, that's hansy, or Alexa, sniff hair. Hello, Joe Biden. I'm like, our neighbors have kids. I mean, I mean, all my kids are grown. Okay? The kids, they love my wife. And so they're outside and they'll say hi. But I've noticed how mindful I am that kids come over and I want them to feel welcome. I want to engage them. But how long do I spend time with my neighbor's cats? Probably not. Number one, I have things going on. Right? If I got to take the trash out, and let's say a walk through the front yard, I'm taking my trash out. And the kids right next door will say hi, and what are you doing? How long do you think I'm going to stay and talk to them? Just a minute or 30 seconds. Right? But if you have a guy that's just hanging around kids, and that's where again, think in terms of if a pedophile sexual predator wants to access kids, he's actually going to get a position as a professional, that's going to be his job. Because then it gives him additional cover. So he's going to be the teacher, he's going to be the coach. He's going to be the pastor. He's gonna be the youth pastor. So again, I mean, I was a youth pastor, and I cannot believe now in retrospect, because normal people don't think like perps. I did sleep. I overnighters. I couldn't do them anymore. Because I was exhausted. I did two overnighters. And what were the parents thinking? I need to overnighters where I was the only the youth director and all the kids, you know, they're sleeping all over the church. Number one, why did we do that? But there were no parents, the senior pastor wasn't there. So I was amazingly naive, because also there could have been a false accusation. But that kind of thing should never, ever take place. I can't believe what parents were thinking. That should have been the first question, John, who who's helping you? I would have probably said I could use some help. So again, that's why churches are the worst. And parents can and again, we're not. We're not here to be suspicious. But we're to be discerning and just shy of being jaded Where we are to, it's almost guilty till proven innocent now we are to be guarding the flock, again with discernment means I'm going to ask a lot of hard questions. I'm going to assume human nature. I'm going to assume now in this day and age, because of the amount of porn, the vast majority of guys are accessing, accessing porn on a regular basis, and it's in the church as well. Therefore, guys that access porn are not safe to be around minors.

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Intervention measures, I think, are key as well, you know, like, because there is there is a, I don't want to say there's a there's no one wants to make a wrong decision because you make an accusation against someone that's serious, if you if you're wrong, you've ruined their life, their life is over, because a false accusation is just as damaging. Well, not damaging for you know, if there actually are a perpetrator hope they go to prison and don't get out of prison forever. That's me personally. But, you know, a false accusation that can haunt someone for the rest of their lives. Because sometimes people will say, even when there's, you know, someone will make an accusation, they'll say, Well, we'll where there's smoke, there's fire. And that's, that's true and 90% of the time, but those that small percentage of the time where there's really no smoke, the smoke is just a puff of air. So how do we ensure that we are reporting appropriately, where we're not just, you know, ruining someone's life in the process?

Unknown:

That's right. There needs to be enough information. And again, professionally, if you're in a position that is a mandated reporter, I can tell you probably what you are on reporting requirements are the suspicion. Now again, there's there's some latitude there. Fortunately, a mandated reporter does not have to do the investigation, but flip it around. At what point in time, does it become a concern? Or when does it become a concern that you're not concerned? It's kind of redundant. There's a threshold, but there's going to be a pattern. And for the average person, if in doubt, you bring it up, you begin to set those boundaries. And if the person continues to push those boundaries, if you find you're having to have that, to remind them a second or third time, now we either have a brain dead individual, but brain dead individuals are going to be very consistent in their life. If they are able to hold a responsible job down, then they're not brain dead. I know for me, let's say somebody were to come up and say, John, nothing personal. I kind of noticed you're hanging around the Kids Next Door, I would say, Well, I'm just taking out the trash. Well, I kind of was watching and say, Okay, well, tell me more. What did you see? You know, but I'm probably going to be I'm going to take note of that. And I'm, I'm not going to I'm going to be very mindful. So the average adult who is legitimate, will be circumspect, they will think about the input they're being given. And they will make adjustments. But if, if I'm a perp, if I'm a predator, predators are always driven to test the boundaries and cross the boundaries. Why? Because they are goal oriented. So they will not take no for an answer. So if you have an adult that you continue to have to set boundaries with, that's a, that's a huge issue. That's where, especially biblically, those of us that are you have church background, it says Warren, someone once once Warren, Warren, someone twice, meaning we have to have that progress, even in business, we talk about progressive discipline. So what I would say is this, unless there's a significant issue where a child has disclosed, then you actually should, you shouldn't approach the perpetrator because now that perp may harm the child. Okay. And then that's very important now as well. But if you suspect somebody without having been reported, I would say go talk to them. Okay, just don't willy nilly call the authorities. But what's nice is with every state, every province, every country has its own reporting, phone number. It's anonymous, you can call up report and then they investigate. So it's nice that you don't have to be the one to really do the do the work and they're very familiar ex spouses or when people are going through divorce. Unfortunately, that comes up. That can be a very, that can be a sledgehammer. So the authorities, you know, they've been around the block a time or two, so they can discern the kind of what is or isn't real, but at the same time, we we want to look out for cats.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

You can't fix a sex offender. You can Have their their mind is hardwired in such a way through, you know, however, you know if it's access to pornography however it progressed to that point, where do we fail at sex offender treatment? And I say that because from what I understand what sex offender treatment and and how it how it affects, you know with parole and things like that is basically the goal is is to is when they have an urge to offend that they're supposed to do things like have a rubber band, they snap on their wrist to try to stop, like, it just sounds really, really lame. In general, the sort of methodologies Oh, call, call your friend and distract yourself. Well, if you're having those types of thoughts, should you not go back to prison for the safety of society? It just, it makes no sense to me. I don't want people arrested for thought crime, because that's, that's a whole other can of worms. But at the same time, if someone's escalating, they're out in the community, and they're escalating. It seems like the treatment programs out there basically say, well, just don't do it. Well, that's we that just seems like such a lame messaging overall, like, what are we doing wrong with our programming? And how do we fix it so that we can protect society?

Unknown:

So I would say two things I don't believe sex offenders are hardwired. And there's about what I found is there's eight different categories of offenders. And the treatment needs to match each of those eight. Right now it doesn't. Right now, we don't differentiate in the field between a pedophile versus some other kind. The continuum really is this in prison, they will use this phrase, so I'll use it, the young and the dumb, versus all the way to the most heinous and the most heinous, harming people as far as slicing throats cutting off limbs, body parts to the serial pedophile, the young of the dumb are those that the guys that turned 18 or 19 turned 18. He's still in high school. He hasn't figured out yet, especially after high school. Let's say he's dating a girl and society does not help us. Let's say. As matter of fact, they'll be given accolades. You have the senior so the senior football player quarterback who's dating the sophomore cheerleader that's paraded around a high school, that's they're going to be king and queen of the prom. He turns a teen and she's still 16. Well, in this day and age, everybody's telling him have a condom and be careful. He doesn't know that he potentially the parents could file a report. If they find out he's having sex with their daughter. Let's say he graduates and instead of moving on with his friends or moving on developmentally to college age, he's still going back to homecoming. He can be arrested. And now he can be charged as a sex offender statutory sexual assault, okay, he can be put in the same group and be he's now has the same label as a heinous individual. For the young and the dumb, there's hope for the young and the dumb. Being arrested has hit bottom, oftentimes. But then you have different gradations all the way to the Bill Clinton's. You know, think about this, this serial predator, who's always on the make always on the scam. Now again, would Bill Clinton ever harm a small child I actually kind of doubt that. So again, different mindset. When it comes to pedophiles, there is no hope. When it comes to those that have become deviant. That is, again a process it's a process of twisting. Once somebody becomes deviant, I don't believe there's hope. And you have to be able to discern that I can start to discern that. But that's really the objectification process. Once you begin to instead of loving people and using things once you begin to use people and love things, you you go down that path far enough also, you know a financial psychopath. You can get to a point where somebody will never come back they will always be greedy. But the sex and sexuality, sexual perps, they can change their brain and I My contention is this, you will find that the brain scans of pedophiles will be the same as the brain scans of psychopaths and there's no coming back from psychopathy. Look up, do a do an internet search for brain scans of psychopaths and you will see it's very, very different and it's irreversible. Biblically, that's called being given over to a reprobate mind that is a metallurgy term that means it's no longer good for its intended purpose, our mind was intended to or written, originally intended to value people and use things. If it gets inverted. far enough, there's no coming back from that. So first of all, the sex offender treatment, the primary approach is cognitive behavioral. The reason that doesn't work, and I tell my guys is this. Rare is the time and it was probably less than 1% of the guys that I've ever worked with. And those were on the mental health unit that they really didn't get, they didn't understand the difference between right and wrong. Okay, that's a mentally ill person, they are very consistent. If you want to find out if somebody's crazy and didn't understand, then look at the nature of the offense. And they will not pull the blinds down or look both ways before preparing, because they don't understand the difference between right and wrong. But if somebody worked hard to make sure they weren't going to get busted, now you have forethought, you have planning involved, that is not crazy, that that is purposeful. That is somebody who has all their oars in the water. And if they have if they've been able to perp on multiple victims, for a longer period of time without anybody notice knowing, then their IQ is higher, because they're able to do strategy and impression management for that person. And right now for sex offender treatment, they take what's called a cognitive behavioral approach, the assumption is that they have to replace a defective beliefs and the way they think my contention is this, it's not an issue of thinking, because these guys did not know. Or it's not that they didn't know the difference between right and wrong. It's an issue of the heart. Do you care enough? They don't care enough. So to take a cognitive behavioral approach, there's parts of that like violence prevention, anger management, relapse prevention, of course. But the issue is, with sex offender treatment, my contention is this, if you don't hit the moral and the spiritual aspect, you're not doing anybody any good, because you have to bring their conscience back. And in a way men can't have their own conscience come back, it takes an act of God, the true rehabilitation takes place when the person's conscience comes back so that they begin to feel sorry for what they've done. That's remorse. And they feel sorry for what they did to the other person, not the classic apologies, well, I'm sorry, if it hurts, you know, what you're looking for is a broken and contrite spirit. That is a moral. That's a character. And that's a spiritual issue, a cognitive behavioral approach. All it does is teach men the right things to say that so they can pass the test so they can pass the the content and the course. So we can say they successfully completed treatment, but they're still as vile as the day as long as they're probably still accessing porn. That's why pedophiles will always be busted by their agents, it's only a matter of time, because they're either using the same phone or an extra phone, and they got accounts going on, even on parole or probation.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

I agree with you on 99% of that. The only thing I will say, from all the research I've done is that and I think we I think we're going to agree on it is remorse doesn't reduce risk.

Unknown:

We would disagree because it does. If I have remorse, it's going to it's going to be all three at the same time. Conscience reduces risk. The only thing that reduces risk is conscience. To the extent that I have conscience will be the extent to which I have remorse, and empathy, those all go together. So the only thing that will reduce risk is conscience.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

I guess the only reason why I say that is I read about this case and it was this person and they kept saying I'm so sorry, what I did was awful. It was wrong. It was awful. It was wrong like this is not in very in very likely that's that's why I mean remorse not reducing risks. Because conscience because yeah, this person got released in I think within three days, they're fine with like 100 gigabytes of child pornography or something like that by their by their parole agent or whatever. So

Unknown:

the last thing you want to listen to is lip service. So what you're after, for me when I work with my guys, it's always conscience, because they what they learn in sex offender treatment is they learn the right things to say for impression management. So you want to look at their moral reasoning, their character development and that will all stem

Coffee Breath Conversations:

well wasn't wasn't CBT not recommended for psychopaths because it actually makes them worse is that the

Unknown:

martyr they start to because a psychopath is all about learning what you expect to hear what you want to hear. And so in sex offender treatment, then the pedophiles and the other psychopaths are learning. They're preparing for parole. And the reason why actually, at least in the States, and especially in Pennsylvania, they will be the ones to take programming depending upon how much time they have. So if they have a short time, they won't take any programming because they don't care. They don't want it. If it's a long period of time, at least in Pennsylvania, when they have a minimum or when they reach their halftime California does good time. But in California, you have a minimum a maximum. A guy is eligible for parole when he hits his minimum date halfway through, that's when you'll see these. The sex offenders want to take sex offender treatment, because they know what they're doing five to 10 they want to get on five.

Coffee Breath Conversations:

Yeah, Canada, I believe its statutory release a two thirds sentence completion unless someone is labeled as a dangerous offender and that includes dangerous sex offender, two thirds sentence completion, they have to be released on parole and less and less the prison system can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that releasing them would be more detrimental to society. I mean, we just had in Saskatchewan, we had someone that was released on day parole and murdered, murdered 12 People went on a went on a killing spree. I believe there's a big investigation going on into the parole board and how they can both their decision making in that in that case, and

Unknown:

a lot of times the culprits are the SEC staff that are doing the evals because parole is reliant upon the parole report. I've written hundreds of these and my contention is you have a lot of psych staff in prisons that are very generic, they don't care enough. And they just are finding out do they have mental health issues? That is not what parole needs. I've been able to keep I was able to keep 19 heinous offenders in that were going to be released and parole was very appreciative. The Psych staff really when we hear these guys get out and do heinous stuff, my mind automatically goes to some prison psych staff wrote a report, none tell prison psych staff and administration but only the psych staff not until they're going to be held accountable. Will some of these things change plus, by the way, the most widely utilized risk assessment for sex offenders is the static 99 are out of California, I'm sorry out of Canada, and it is dangerously flawed. When it comes to pedophiles. It gives bonus points that offending has to do with hormones has to do with testosterone and decreases with age. That is a horribly flawed understanding of pedophiles and so it's very dangerous. So when you hear that these guys get out early or they don't have to do prison time typically the static 99 R was used and it lowered their the profile of their risk in my estimation so static 99 R should never be used when it comes to pedophiles.

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Jon K. Uhler, LPC

Licensed Professional Counselor

A 30 year mental health professional, in full time private practice. Certified as a Clinical Trauma Professional and a Sex Offender Treatment Professional. Certified in the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R). Created the nation's first intensive treatment program in long-term solitary confinement. Accrued more clinical contact hours in solitary confinement than any single prison psychology staff member in the US or Canada.
Founder: SurvivorSupport.net & ChurchProtect.org;
Host of the weekly live program, Journey to Healing, on TECN.TV.
Blog: SurvivorSupport.us.
Serving as the lead Clinical Member for the SOGI International Taskforce.